Discourse 1133 - A determination of the status quo from the biblical point of view.




Environmental catastrophes and cultural development.

Why should the Great Tribulation start with famines and earthquakes? / Commentary KR 00, 2014-05-03

The Rapture before or after the Great Tribulation? / Anonymous 00, 2011-08-19

From Sodom up to the present day - nothing has changed / God's covenants by Jacob Damkan

The beginning of birth pangs.

Those who proclaim the Word of God.

People who are unable to believe. / Wilhelm Busch, Book WB 00, pp 123ff.

The cause of civil wars, famines and earthquakes in the Last Days: the beginning of birth pangs.

World history: a week with days of a thousand years

Ten thousand march in Gay Pride parade in Tel Aviv. / SWI swissinfo.ch 00, 2014-06-18)

Homosexual Activist Admits True Purpose of Battle is to Destroy Marriage. / By Micah Clark 00, 2013-04-06)

Do the acts of war in Syria have a prophetic background? /    Part 1  Discourse 113 

Does the Bible predict the Syrian civil war chaos for the Last Days? /    Part 2   Discourse 1132



Environmental catastrophes and cultural development

By now the more realistic minds among scientists recognize that all over the world natural catastrophes – like earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, tornados, hurricanes, heatwaves, wildfires, massive hailstorms and days of prolonged rainfall bringing mudflows and vast floods in their wake – have increased out of all proportion. Of course such things have happened before, but only at intervals of decades or centuries – not all together in the space of a few years. People are inclined to see global warming as the reason for this, and without doubt that is a contributing factor.

But attentive observers cannot have failed to notice either that it is not just these environmentally determined incidents that have been occurring in recent years with greater frequency – people themselves too are increasingly becoming more radicalized and liberalized, that is to say they are liberating themselves from the "burdens" of peacefulness, honesty, reliability, trustworthiness and so on.

The consequence of this on the personal level is liberation from obligation: every second marriage ends in divorce, people are just going in for more life partnerships, so as to be able to switch again without any problem at the next opportunity. In a professional context as well (especially on the side of the employer), in these uncertain times people avoid entering into long term commitments as far as possible – instead we see part time work, employees working as sub-contractors and the like. And in the same way as parents today hesitate to instruct their children, so on the political level too people are wary of urging any kind of commandments, prohibitions, rules or laws – e.g. in connection with child raising, crime prevention (take tax fraud, for example), same sex marriages and so on.

It is interesting in this connection that here in democratic countries, where we have rule based on the majority vote – that is to say, decisions are supposed to be taken based on the will of the majority of the population – suddenly we find minority decisions being made (state recognition of same sex marriages and homosexual adopting rights, trivialization of tax fraud, basic security benefits for the unemployed and people who don’t want to work, almost unlimited preferential treatment of refugees etc.). And this is actually a contradiction, which is to be put down to the fact that not only many parents, but also and in particular many politicians have lost their feeling for the reality of opinion, and think that this kind of proceeding is what the majority of people want. With politicians, this error will be put right at the next election (see Angela Merkel and her refugee policy); with parents, the process takes rather longer.

Whereas in the democratic countries of Europe and in the USA this liberalization of character has become increasingly widespread among the population, in other countries of this world a radicalization has been taking place, which has led to civil wars, terror, oppression and torture on a scale never seen before. And now one might – based on the similarity of developments in the two cases – be inclined to favor the view that between these two areas (the increasing prevalence of environmental catastrophes, and the radicalization of the population) there exists a certain connection.

The following discussion, with a visitor from Germany and a lady visitor from Switzerland, endeavors to show, on the basis of the Bible, that this might indeed be the case – not however, as would generally be supposed, by a kind of reciprocal action, but because on the spiritual level "he who (in the past) has restrained (both) has been taken out of the way" (2Thess 2:7).



(Texts enclosed in a black frame are quoted from visitors to the site or other authors.)

(Why should the Great Tribulation start with famines and earthquakes? / Commentary KR 00, 2014-05-03)

I have read your interpretation of what in your opinion are “the true prophesies of the Bible about the Last Days” (Discourse 1132: “The true prophesies of the Bible about the Last Days.” / FH) and your argument seems to me altogether plausible. I too have been concerned with this theme for some time, and have come to quite similar conclusions. But what repeatedly irritates me, and something for which I am trying to find an answer, is a purely rational question: when it is written in Mt 24,7-8 that at the beginning of the birth pangs that is to say, at the start of the Great Tribulation “nation will rise against nation” and “kingdom against kingdom” (which you interpret as the civil wars of the present day), and then the text goes on to say “and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes”, I ask myself similarly to your having asked yourself why there cannot be “nations against kingdoms” or “kingdoms against nations” why famines and earthquakes, specifically, should be associated with these events of war. Though one could still see the famines as the consequence of the many wars and acts of destruction in these countries, it seems exceedingly doubtful whether such things would be likely to trigger earthquakes as well.

KR - Germany



Thank you for your visit to Immanuel.at and for your comments.

On one point I must correct your statements. I made my interpretation of “nations against nations” and “kingdoms against kingdoms” as the civil wars currently going on dependent on the question whether the earthquakes and famines which you inquire about are actually going to occur. Only then would I think that this prophecy of the Lord’s is being fulfilled in our days.

But I too have been exercised by this question of the links between these statements, and after quite extensive research I have now arrived at an explanation. But let us just first of all take a look at the biblical passage you quote:

Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom.

Lk 21,8 And He said, "See to it that you are not misled; for many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not go after them. 21,9 "When you hear of wars and disturbances, do not be terrified; for these things must take place first, but the end does not follow immediately." 21,10 Then He continued by saying to them, "Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, 21,11 and there will be great earthquakes, and in various places plagues and famines; and there will be terrors and great signs from heaven. Lk 21, 9-11;

For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.

Mk 13,5 And Jesus began to say to them, "See to it that no one misleads you. 13,6 "Many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He!’ and will mislead many. 13,7 "When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be frightened; those things must take place; but that is not yet the end. 13,8 "For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there will be earthquakes in various places; there will also be famines. These things are merely the beginning of birth pangs. Mk 13, 5- 8;

For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.

Mt 24,4 And Jesus answered and said to them, "See to it that no one misleads you. 24,5 "For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many.24,6 "You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. 24,7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. 24,8 "But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs. Mt 24. 4- 8;


Perhaps we should just make clear the facts which emerge from these statements. This passage forms a part of the Lord’s discourse on the Last Days, and he speaks here in Mt 24,8 of the “birth pangs”. Based on the context and the parallel passages we can assume that this refers to the Great Tribulation (affliction), which he in fact mentions a few verses further on in Mt 24,29.

After the tribulation of those days they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of the sky.

Mt 24,29 "But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 24,30 "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 24,31 "And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. Mt 24,29-31;


Here the Lord speaks of the end of this affliction, of the Great Tribulation, and indicates that immediately thereafter he will come on the clouds of the sky (Acts 1:9-11). So as we can understand from the statements in Mt 24:21-22, it is a matter here of the coming of the Lord to rapture the faithful in the Last Days. And this is a point on which many brethren, from a very wide range of evangelical congregations all over the world (the big churches rarely concern themselves with this theme), have a major comprehension gap.

We can best recognize this in a query from a visitor to Immanuel.at going back to the year 2011, parts of which will be quoted here in order to make matters clearer.



(Texts enclosed in a black frame are quoted from visitors to the site or other authors.)

(The Rapture before or after the Great Tribulation? / Anonymous 00, 2011-08-19)

(…) I read Dave Hunt’s book "The Occult Invasion" some years ago. If I were to try to find the passage in his book, I would probably never get around to even making a start with the questions I want to ask you. I am very greedy for biblical commentaries like yours, because it isn’t often that you get things so well explained and substantiated. Perhaps actually the argument was from Roger Liebi and not from Dave Hunt. At the time, you see, I was looking for indications as to whether the signs and wonders movement of today is one of the things leading us astray, or whether it emanates from Jesus Christ. To this end I consulted many authors. Whoever it came from, this argument calmed my fears, persuading me that I and my children would not have to worry about the Great Tribulation.

(…) At the time when I read Dave Hunt I was convinced by his argument about the Rapture coming before the Tribulation. Another argument too has stuck in my mind right up to the present day ‒ that if they are doing things like marrying and grinding and sleeping, these can hardly be times of affliction, it must be a time of peace when the Rapture takes place, otherwise they wouldn’t be going on with these normal activities. If it were a time when Christians were being persecuted, then the Christians would undoubtedly be in some kind of concentration camp already, they wouldn’t be sleeping in a bed or grinding alongside non-Christians… Then too the fact that he comes like a thief ‒ Dave Hunt thought this couldn’t be possible at a time when the Christians are desperately longing for the Lord’s arrival, in view of their affliction. But perhaps he comes like a thief only from the point of view of unbelievers?

(…) I’ve always been told ever since my conversion that the Lord Jesus could come back and rapture us any day. There wouldn’t be any conditions still needing to be fulfilled. This is also the doctrine taught by my Free Evangelical congregation.

From discourse 108: ”Who or what still restrains the Antichrist?

This visitor prefers to remain anonymous.


(See also Discourse 65: “Why the Rapture is to be placed after the Great Tribulation”)


The questions of our visitor have been answered in Discourse 108. Here we just want to deal with that extract from it which is concerned with the Rapture’s preceding the Great Tribulation specifically, the following admission:

“(…) At the time when I read Dave Hunt I was convinced by his argument about the Rapture coming before the Tribulation. Another argument too has stuck in my mind right up to the present day ‒ that if they are doing things like marrying and grinding and sleeping, these can hardly be times of affliction, it must be a time of peace when the Rapture takes place, otherwise they wouldn’t be going on with these normal activities. If it were a time when Christians were being persecuted, then the Christians would undoubtedly be in some kind of concentration camp already, they wouldn’t be sleeping in a bed or grinding alongside non-Christians…”


The visitor is here referring as does Dave Hunt to the passage in Lk 17,34-35:

There will be two women grinding at the same place; one will be taken and the other will be left.

Lk 17,34 "I tell you, on that night there will be two in one bed; one will be taken and the other will be left. 17,35 "There will be two women grinding at the same place; one will be taken and the other will be left. 17,37 And answering they *said to Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said to them, "Where the body is, there also the vultures will be gathered." Lk 17,34-37;


Dave Hunt’s basing his argument, however, on the supposition “hat if they are doing things like marrying and grinding and sleeping, these can hardly be times of affliction, it must be a time of peace” does actually seem a trifle surprising. Does the author really think that people won’t be either eating or sleeping in the time of the Great Tribulation? And as he refers to concentration camps ‒ even in the Nazi concentration camps people ate and slept, how could it be otherwise? And they did even get married after all! (The marriage of Auschwitz / German)

But the basic error which Dave Hunt commits here is the error of all false interpretations: they take a verse out of context and use it as the basis for constructing a whole story. If Hunt had read Rev 7,14-15 he would not have made this error:


Rev 7,14 These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 7,15For this reason, they are before the throne of God; and they serve Him day and night in His temple; and He who sits on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them.


When they come out of the Great Tribulation then they had been in the Great Tribulation and therefore had been raptured after the Great Tribulation. And if Dave Hunt had also read - and above all quoted! - the statements made by our Lord in Lk 17,26-30, just before this text (Lk 17,34-35) which he refers to, then his readers would not have any problems about understanding the matter.   

It was the same as happened in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building;

Lk 17,26 "And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 17,27 they were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 17,28 "It was the same as happened in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building; 17,29 but on the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 17,30 "It will be just the same on the day that the Son of Man is revealed. Lk 17,26-30;


For here the Lord says that at this time of the Rapture it will be the same as it was in the time of Noah and in the time of Lot. And in both cases human beings had fallen away from God so far that God was compelled to annihilate them - in the time of Noah the whole of humanity but for eight persons, in the time of Lot all the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah. And the very argument that Christians will be sharing a bed with unbelievers in fact proves that these are times where you are not in a position to choose your bedfellow ‒ as was the case, indeed, in the concentration camps of the past. Why do we suppose the Lord tells us, in Lk 21,12:

But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and will persecute you, delivering you to the synagogues and prisons, bringing you before kings and governors for My name’s sake.

Lk 21,10 Then He continued by saying to them, "Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, 21,11 and there will be great earthquakes, and in various places plagues and famines; and there will be terrors and great signs from heaven. 21,12 "But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and will persecute you, delivering you to the synagogues(!) and prisons, bringing you before kings and governors for My name’s sake. Lk 21,10-12; (See also Mt 10:17-18)


Are these then “times of peace” for Christian believers? Or who are we suppose these persecuted people to be? Jews perhaps? Hardly! For Christ’s name’s sake only Christians will be hated and persecuted. And then the Lord also tells us: “Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.” These “elect” must be the congregation of the Last Days in the Great Tribulation (Mt 24:22-31).

And the Lord tells them that when they see the Son of Man coming in a cloud (Acts 1:9-11), they should straighten up and lift up their heads, because their redemption is drawing near. This clearly must mean that up to this point they have been hanging their heads in fear and desperation as they wait for the coming of the Lord. So we can rest assured that these will not be “times of peace”.

But when these things begin to take place, straighten up, because your redemption is drawing near

Lk 21,27 "Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN A CLOUD with power and great glory. 21,28 "But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Lk 27,27-28;


And that is now the second fact emerging from this text and its parallel passages: it is not just a matter here of the Great Tribulation, but also of the Rapture of the Christian congregation of the Last Days after (!) the Great Tribulation (Mt 24:30-31). But this leads to a further question, which biblical commentators frequently fail to ask, and so do not answer it either: why does God after the Flood and the annihilation of Sodom and Gomorrah allow so to speak a third wave of destruction to come upon humanity in the form of a Great Tribulation of this order (Dan 12:1; Mt 24:21)?

(See also Discourse 09: “The Great Tribulation: an affliction of the faithful, or of the whole world?”)


If we now consider the statements of the Lord in Lk 17,26-30 above, he speaks here of the fact that in the days of the revelation of the Son of Man that is to say, the coming of the Lord for the Rapture of the faithful it will be as it was in the days of Noah: “hey were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.”

This situation not just before the Flood, but also in the Great Tribulation is something we have already commented on above. But what has not actually been sufficiently explained here is the reason why God at that time, in the Flood, annihilated the whole of humanity, short of eight persons. And here we would like now to look at a few biblical passages which may help us to clarify this question. First of all, the event of the Flood itself:

Thus God blotted out every living thing that was upon the face of the land, from man to animals .

Gen 7,19 The water prevailed more and more upon the earth, so that all the high mountains everywhere under the heavens were covered. 7,20 The water prevailed fifteen cubits higher, and the mountains were covered. 7,21 All flesh that moved on the earth perished, birds and cattle and beasts and every swarming thing that swarms upon the earth, and all mankind; 7,22 of all that was on the dry land, all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, died. 7,23 Thus He blotted out every living thing that was upon the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky, and they were blotted out from the earth; and only Noah was left, together with those that were with him in the ark. Gen 7,19-23;


The question why God blotted out “every living thing that was upon the face of the land” can be answered when we look at the following biblical passages:

The sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.

Gen 6,1 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 6,2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 6,3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." 6,4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. 6,5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6,6 The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

6,7 The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them." 6,8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD. Gen 6. 1- 8;


The angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode.

Jude 1,5 Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe. 1,6 And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 1,7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. Jude 1. 5- 7;


So it was the “sons of God”, the angels, who also stayed on the earth before the Flood and begot children with the daughters of men the giants on earth (the “sons of Anak”, Num 13:33) and so indulged in immorality with “strange flesh”. But also the wickedness of the time, and above all the godlessness of human beings, caused God to annihilate the human race that was living then.

God brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter.

2Pet 2,2 Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; 2,3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. 2,4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment; 2,5 and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; 2,6 and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes,


having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter;


2Pet 2, 2- 6;


And just as the Lord in the above passage (Lk 17,26-30) compares both “he days of Noah” and “he days of Lot” with the coming situation of the Great Tribulation, so here too Jude and Peter refer to these two events, and prophesy that they are an example of the way things will again go in future (in the Great Tribulation) for the godless of this world, “who in the same way as these indulge in gross immorality and go after strange flesh”.

Paul too in his letter to the Romans refers to ungodliness and immorality as the reasons for the wrath of God. First of all he condemns those who deny the existence of God, “because that which is known about God is evident within them” and nonetheless they are not thankful to God, but worship idols in human form made of wood and stone (Buddha, the Hindu "gods", the Catholic Mary, Isa 44:16-17, or the Catholic dead "saints", a cult of the dead, Isa 8:19-20 etc. etc.).

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men.

Rom 1,18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 1,19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 1,20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 1,21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 1,22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 1,23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Rom 1,18-23;


And then Paul tells us here below, in Rom 1,24 that this ungodliness is the reason why God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts. And if we need convincing that these statements then of Paul’s in Rom 1,29-31 are not just to be regarded as “old hat”, we can look at a few current examples:

Corruption: e.g. Berlin’s BER airport.

Fraud: e.g. Uli Hoeness (president of the German football club "Bayern München") having admitted tax fraud to the tune of 28 million euros, sausage manufacturer Ulrich Hoeness still has assets to the value of at least four hundred million (!!) euros. Some mathematically challenged FC Bayern fans can shed big tears, if they like, at the prospect of this fraudster spending three and a half years behind bars.

Greed on all levels: e.g. bank managers’ “bonuses”.

Wanton prurience: e.g. the Carnival in Rio.

Homosexuality: e.g. the Live Ball in Vienna, etc.


The men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another.

Rom 1,24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 1,25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

1,26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 1,27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

1,28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

1,29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips,

1,30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,

1,31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful;

1,32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them. Rom 1,24-32;


But of course Paul has not just made this up he is referring here to the Old Testament, and to the commandments of God relating to marriage and purity, where homosexuality comes right alongside sodomy (sexual intercourse with animals).

You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

Lev 18,22 ‘You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 18,23 ‘Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion. 18,24 ‘Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled. 18,25 ‘For the land has become defiled, therefore I have brought its punishment upon it, so the land has spewed out its inhabitants. 18,26 ‘But as for you, you are to keep My statutes and My judgments and shall not do any of these abominations, neither the native, nor the alien who sojourns among you 18,27 (for the men of the land who have been before you have done all these abominations, and the land has become defiled); 18,28 so that the land will not spew you out, should you defile it, as it has spewed out the nation which has been before you. 18,29


‘For whoever does any of these abominations, those persons who do so shall be cut off from among their people.’


18,30 ‘Thus you are to keep My charge, that you do not practice any of the abominable customs which have been practiced before you, so as not to defile yourselves with them; I am the LORD your God.’" Lev 18,22-30;


What Paul in the above passage (Rom 1,29-31) now lists among these “degrading passions”, in addition to homosexuality, sounds like a description of the behavior of some of our contemporaries:

“Unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful…”


So that was how things were already before the Flood, and the same kind of thing also applies naturally to the people in Sodom, as the Bible tells us. Because there too, in the Jordan valley, wickedness and homosexuality (also sodomy perhaps?) were so widespread, God decided to annihilate all the cities in the valley of the Jordan. The only obstacle to this was Lot and his family, who lived in the city and whom God wanted to spare because of his connection with Abraham, Lot’s uncle.

Therefore God sent two angels to Lot in Sodom, with instructions to get him and his family his wife and two daughters out of the city and save them from the coming destruction. What the angels however had not anticipated was the absolute wantonness of these homosexuals. And here “wanton” - in German “geil” - is not to be understood as in today’s German teenage idiom of bashful self-disclosure meaning “good” or “cool”, but rather in the original plain and down-to-earth sense of “sexually insatiable”.

Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.

Gen 19,1 Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening as Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 19,2 And he said, "Now behold, my lords, please turn aside into your servant’s house, and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way." They said however, "No, but we shall spend the night in the square." 19,3 Yet he urged them strongly, so they turned aside to him and entered his house; and he prepared a feast for them, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate. 19,4 Before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; 19,5 and they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them." Gen 19, 1- 5;


The homosexuals in Sodom were so wanton that they even wanted to rape these angels who were spending the night at Lot’s house. Lot, who was aware that his visitors were angels, naturally wanted to prevent this, and in his desperation even offered his two virgin daughters to the horny pack of gays as a kind of “substitute”. 

But as these perverts were fixated on men, they were not prepared to agree to the swap, and they even threatened to “know” Lot himself (in the archaic biblical language, the term used for a man’s sleeping with a woman) if he did not hand over the two men to them. The formulation of Gen 19,9 “they pressed hard against Lot” makes it very plausible to suppose that they actually did subject him to rape. 

Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you.

Gen 19,6 But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, 19,7 and said, "Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly. 19,8 "Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof." 19,9 But they said, "Stand aside." Furthermore, they said, "This one came in as an alien, and already he is acting like a judge; now we will treat you worse than them." So they pressed hard against Lot and came near to break the door. Gen 19, 6- 9;


In the end the angels could only save themselves by striking the entire pack of gays “both young and old”, as we are told in Gen 19,4 with blindness, so that none of them was able to find the way into Lot’s house. And on the following morning they took Lot and his family out of the city, and God rained brimstone and fire on the entire valley of the Jordan, so that all the inhabitants of the cities were destroyed.

Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven.

Gen 19,24 Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven, 19,25 and He overthrew those cities, and all the valley, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground. 19,26 But his wife, from behind him, looked back, and she became a pillar of salt. 19,27 Now Abraham arose early in the morning and went to the place where he had stood before the LORD; 19,28 and he looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the valley, and he saw, and behold, the smoke of the land ascended like the smoke of a furnace. 19,29 Thus it came about, when God destroyed the cities of the valley, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when He overthrew the cities in which Lot lived. Gen 19,24-29;


So we can see that in both cases in the Flood, as in the annihilation of Sodom and Gomorrah the wickedness and ungodliness of human beings was the reason why God gave them over to degrading passions, such as homosexuality, wantonness, greed of all kinds, envy, murder, fraud and so on.

Rom 1,24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.

Rom 1,26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

Rom 1,28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,


And from all this we can conclude that in our own day, likewise, the worldwide prevalence of all these modes of behavior, along with other prophecies of the Last Days, is a quite concrete sign for determining where we are in the Bible, based on the state our society has reached.

Jacob Damkani the well known Messianic Jew and preacher of Trumpet of Salvation to Israel takes a similar view in his Letter of Instruction "God's covenants":


(Texts enclosed in a black frame are quoted from visitors to the site or other authors.)

(From Sodom up to the present day - nothing has changed / God’s covenants by Jacob Damkani)

In Genesis 19:11 we see an amazing verse. This has nothing to do with the covenant, but I want to bring it to you. This verse gives us a picture about what type of people we are dealing with in this world. It was like that at that time of Sodom and Gomorra but it is the same even now, at this time of history. Nothing has changed. The heart of man has remained the same. This is an establishing verse: “hen they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.”

After they had been so struck with blindness, you think they would search themselves and realize with whom they had come in touch with: Almighty God. But no, they keep looking for the door. Blind, and keep looking for the door. When man is being consumed with sin, he has no eyes to see, no heart to think, no mind to use. It is unbelievable. These guys have been struck to blindness and rather than walking away shamefully, with really understanding that they have something to deal with, they keep looking and trying to find the door. What does that tell us? That people are so consumed with sin that you can really share the gospel with them day and night and they just will not listen. They just will be careless.


From discourse 1111: “God's covenants byJacob Damkani/Sodom.


(See also Discourse 1114; “The teaching of the Messianic Jews - the Analysis.”)


But in the light of these biblical events we can also get a glimpse of the not too distant future. Although acts of rape by homosexuals, such as was standard practice in Sodom, are unthinkable in our modern times, a similar situation could occur under certain circumstances. The homosexual movement is becoming bigger all the time worldwide, and it will not be long before it actually forms itself into a political movement. And with so many adherents, it would be quite possible for this political party to constitute a majority at least at local municipal level.

And just as men who wanted to settle in Sodom (see the angels) evidently had to undergo an “acceptance test”, so the homosexual party in parliament, with its democratically elected majority, might pass a law which would oblige all citizens on pain of losing the right of residence in the city to testify to their solidarity, so that in order to be accepted by gay city councils they would be forced to attend a kind of “Live Ball party” in order to demonstrate their homosexual allegiance.

The new tolerance.

For some time now people have been preaching - all over the world and at all levels - about the new tolerance. In itself a laudable objective, in recent years this attitude of mind has nonetheless turned around into its opposite. Instead of integrating unfairly marginalized persons and attitudes in society, various groups have taken advantage of this favorable opportunity in order to raise their own views - which in the past were quite rightly rejected - into a standard.

As a result the former pillars of society, like marriage, the family, honesty and incorruptibility, are declared to be out of date, and have come to be successively adulterated with homosexual marriage (Rom 1:26-32), patchwork families, dishonesty and corruption (2Tim 3:1-4). But it is children and young people above all who are thereby indoctrinated in a completely wrong philosophy of life, which will have fearful consequences later on. 

We can only hope that this "mass dumbing down" of society (Peter Scholl-Latour) has not yet progressed to such a point that it becomes impossible to recognize and resist the danger. In a democracy of the twenty-first century, a few persons of deviant proclivities cannot be allowed to force their will on the overwhelming majority of the population.




The beginning of birth pangs.

Has he who restrains already been taken out of the way?

Alongside this biblical “sign of the times” here above which gives us some indication of the position our society has arrived at such an interpretation has an even more interesting aspect for biblical commentators: namely the fact that the formulation telling us that “God has given them over” (Rom 1:28-29) does, after all, imply as an inverse corollary that up to this point God has in some fashion restrained people’s wickedness, their passions and their degeneracy.

This question was already treated by a visitor to this site in Discourse 108, quoted earlier, but not in association with the consequences which are here realized for the very first time. In Discourse 108 Paul’s statement on this subject from 2The 2,1-12 was quoted, and we may reproduce the text below in the interest of better understanding.

The mystery of lawlessness will not be revealed until he who now restrains is taken out of the way.

2The 2,1 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2,2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 2,3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 2,4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 2,5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? 2,6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.

2,7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. 2,8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 2,9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, 2,10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 2,11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 2,12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness. 2The 2, 1-12;


On the one hand Paul is here responding to the question of the Thessalonians about the day of “he coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him” in other words, the Second Coming and the Rapture. And he assures them that this day will only come when the man of lawlessness, the son of destruction i.e. the Antichrist is revealed and comes to power.

And then, in 2The 2,5, Paul speaks somewhat cryptically of the fact that he had apparently said something to the Thessalonians on his last visit, which he asks them to remember. What that actually was, we unfortunately do not know. We can only infer from the statement in the following sentence (verse 6), “And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed”, that he evidently communicated to them a revelation which was concerned with the fact that something “restrains” him (the Antichrist) at present, so that he will be revealed “in his time”.

But in the next verse, 2The 2,7, we are then given another point of reference: “For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.” So there is somebody here too who is doing the restraining. But who is this “what” the “what restrains him now” of 2The 2,6? Unless we willfully try to separate these two statements of Paul’s in 2The 2,6-7, it seems pretty plain that he is not speaking here of two different subjects, as many commentators suppose. In both cases, quite simply, one and the same person is meant namely the Holy Spirit.

Here the “what” stands for the activity (even with the Greek neuter gender! cf. Phil 2,13) of the Holy Spirit in human beings this is what restrains, both in the faithful and also in unbelievers, so as to hold back in the latter the ripening of the seed of evil and prevent the appearance of the Antichrist, with the Great Tribulation, before the time appointed by God.

And on the other hand “he who now restrains” indicates the person of the Holy Spirit himself, functioning through his activity as the restrainer. If we just take another look at Paul’s statement below, this interpretation along with all the logical connections seems a whole lot more accurate.

The mystery of lawlessness will only be revealed if he who now restrains is taken out of the way.

2The 2,5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? 2,6 And you know what restrains him now (the work of the Holy Spirit in man/FH), so that in his time he will be revealed. 2,7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains (the Holy Spirit/FH) will do so until he is taken out of the way. 2,8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 2,9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders. 2The 2, 5- 9;


So if we compare these statements of Paul’s in Rom 1,24.26.28 and in 2The 2,5.7 above with the pattern of behavior in our human society of today, we can most definitely draw the conclusion that God has withdrawn him “who restrains” i.e. the Holy Spirit from godless humanity, so that they can give free rein to the lusts of their hearts, their degrading passions and their degeneracy.

But as we can infer from the two other judgments of God on humanity, Noah too was obliged to watch the goings on of his godless fellow human beings for years and only then was God’s wrath so great that he decided to annihilate humanity altogether. And when he told Noah, as the one righteous person, to make the ark, probably a few more years would have gone by until Noah and his sons had cut and shaped enough wood to build it.

Lot likewise, as the one righteous person, was obliged to observe the perverse goings on in Sodom on a daily basis, and “felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds”. Only when the homosexuals of Sodom went too far, by trying actually to rape angels, did God bring the judgment upon them.

The Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment.

2Pet 2,7 and if God rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men 2,8 (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds), 2,9 then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, 2,10 and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties. 2Pet 2, 7-10;


So it would be stupid to suppose though some preachers proclaim it that the Second Coming of the Lord and the Rapture could happen any day. Quite to the contrary, here again the statements of the Bible confirm that the Christian faithful will first have to go through this Great Tribulation, and only after that can they look forward to being saved on the Second Coming of the Lord.

(See also Discourse 71: “Is the next major event of world history for the faithful the Rapture?”)



Those who proclaim the Word of God

So that is how it looks in the world today, in the light of a detailed scrutiny based on the Word of God. But in many Christian congregations, people still do not get it. On the one hand, of course, people are so caught up with the world in their day to day living, and on the other, many congregations have degenerated into clubs where you come together to “share” with one another and swap news, not so much to study what is written in the Bible.

Homosexual marriage finds support, and in some places homosexuals who have “partners” are even appointed as leaders of the congregation. Tax dodgers and adulterers sit on the council of elders, and it is their influence which determines how the congregation develops. And if for once in a way a preacher shows up who addresses the brethren in their conscience, and confronts them just once in the week with the more important statements of the Bible, he won’t be asked to preach again. These people are paid, after all and you don’t want to pay good money just to be landed with problems.

But even if somebody from the ranks of the brethren preaches a sermon and encourages people not so much to read the Bible with quantitative goals (“Who has read the most books of the Bible by the end of the year?”) but rather to engage with topics, on the basis of all books of the Bible, and then meet regularly in small groups to discuss these themes, and finally bring forward their qualitative conclusions in the assembly of the congregation as a whole this approach too is frequently boycotted because it is too laborious and not sufficiently entertaining.

So they prefer to invite well known preachers and evangelists who are going to come up with some drivel about the infinite and unconditional love of God, and then we are all happy and - as it seems - on the safe side, and can go home and look forward to the next week’s work. 

The infinite and unconditional love of God.

If the love of God were to be infinite and unconditional, this God would have to forgive all human beings of all ages (infinite time!!) all their sins, without any conversion or repentance on their part (unconditionally!!). There would then no longer be any need of a redeeming sacrifice and Jesus Christ would not have had to die on the cross.

Then all criminals, mass murderers, atheists, tyrants and all other kinds of scum, from the begin to the end of the world (infinite time!!) would enter into eternal life without any conversion or repentance on their part (unconditionally!!), along with all rightly believing Christians.

So anyone who speaks of the "infinite" and "unconditional" love of God gives clear evidence of the fact that they have no idea why God permitted his Son to die on the cross. Such people have not even begun to grasp the foundation stone of the Christian faith, and so are completely unqualified to make any kind of statement about any aspect of God’s nature.



Even in evangelization campaigns, preachers use this kind of dictum to attract people who would not in their wildest dreams ever be genuinely contrite or do penance, just in order to increase the numbers of the congregation. Nobody ever thinks to make it clear to these people that Christianity has not so much to do with fun and amusement, but much more with intelligence and discipline. 

These preachers of a gospel of affluence avoid anything which could frighten people off. They have clearly taken the Catholic Pope Francis as a model, who recently, when visiting the two Chief Rabbis of Israel, tucked the cross on a chain which he wears on his chest into his belly band beneath, because it would have been offensive to Jews if visible.

(See also Discourse 1152: “Did Pope Francis conceal the cross from chief rabbis?”)


But even in the foreign missions we often find young Christians some of them with families (!) being sent to countries like Turkey, and financed by their missionary organizations. Here they “belabor” the Turkish Muslims with the gospel until such time as the latter finish them off with 160 stab wounds, and the wife and three children are left all alone in a foreign Islamic country.

(See also Discourse 753; “Are Christians obliged to love their enemies? - Part 3: The Christian foreign mission”)


As we can see from Mt 10,14-15 below, our Lord Jesus Christ commanded us to act quite differently. But that is something that brethren who get excited about foreign missions are likely to sweep under the carpet “What kind of a mission would it be, if you just leave it up to the other person?” And getting information from the Bible in order to prepare themselves for the tasks of their mission abroad or even for an evangelization campaign is something these young people are regrettably unlikely to do.

Whoever does not receive you, nor hear your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet.

Mt 10,8 "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give. 10,9 "Do not acquire gold, or silver, or copper for your money belts, 10,10 or a bag for your journey, or even two coats, or sandals, or a staff; for the worker is worthy of his support. 10,11 "And whatever city or village you enter, inquire who is worthy in it, and stay at his house until you leave that city. 10,12 "As you enter the house, give it your greeting. 10,13 "If the house is worthy, give it your blessing of peace. But if it is not worthy, take back your blessing of peace. 10,14 "Whoever does not receive you, nor hear your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet. 10,15 "Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city. Mt 10. 8-15;


To say it in the words of the Lord in the above passage people don’t first investigate to find out who is actually interested or is prepared to convert and do penance. Instead they set up their “stall” and offer the Christian faith wholesale as a cheap opportunity, guaranteeing people the complete salvation package entirely free of charge. For everybody, that is, who just happens to come along, and is then surprised to see that this method serves to draw in the biggest liars and fraudsters, for whom repentance and contrition are quite out of the question, while people who decline this sort of “conversion” are simply irritated.

This is also the reason why in many congregations the quotas the numbers of members, that is continue to rise, while the total number of genuinely converted, correctly believing brethren is actually in decline. After a few vain attempts to point out the facts of the situation to the preachers and leaders of the congregation, they get frustrated and will soon be thinking of leaving.

What is needed, in connection with evangelization, is to have regard to the above injunction of our Lord’s:

"Whoever does not receive you, nor hear your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet."


The well known evangelist and author Wilhelm Busch (sadly no longer with us) once put it very well in one of his excellent sermons:



(Texts enclosed in a black frame are quoted from visitors to the site or other authors.)

(People who are unable to believe. / Wilhelm Busch, Book WB 00, pp 123ff))

(…) The second group consists of those who say “I just can’t believe!”, but in reality, if they were completely honest, they would have to admit that what they really mean is “I just don’t want to believe!” This is because if they were to come to believe they would have to change their whole lives. And they wouldn’t like that. They know that everything is wrong with their lives. If they were children of God, they would have to come into the light. But no, they don’t want that. Besides, it might make them look silly in the eyes of their colleagues. And what would their nearest and dearest say, if they suddenly became Christians? No, definitely not! So if you come across people who say “I just can’t believe”, take a closer look, and see if they shouldn’t really have said “I just don’t want to believe!”

There is a devastating story in the Bible. Here is the Son of God, the Lord Jesus, sitting on the Mount of Olives. In the valley below him is the city of Jerusalem in glorious sunshine. Over there the Mount of the Temple stands, with the glorious Temple built on it, of which even the heathen said that it was an edifice that really had to be counted among the wonders of the world. All this is outspread below him. But all of a sudden, the disciples see to their horror that tears are running down his cheeks. They turn to him in surprise and puzzlement. And then these words break from the Lord Jesus: “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem… how often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling. Now you are confronted with the judgment of God. Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!” (a free quotation from Mt 23,37-38). This is one of the most devastating sayings in the Bible: “But you were unwilling”. The people of Jerusalem also doubtless said, “We just cannot believe” - but actually they did not want to.

Look - if you don’t want to believe, you really don’t have to! Can I tell you something? In the church there are still all kinds of compulsions enforced. In the Kingdom of God, there is only an absolute freedom of the will. If you want to live without God, you can do it! God offers himself to us. But we can refuse him. Do you want to live without God? You may. Do you want to live without having made your peace with God? You may. Do you want to live without prayer? You may. Do you want to live without the Bible? You may. Do you want to transgress God’s commandments? You may. Do you want to profane the Lord’s Day, be sexually promiscuous, drink, lie and steal? You may. Anyone who does not want this Savior whom God has sent to save sinners is at liberty to turn him down. Anyone who wants to go to hell can do just that. 

With God there are no compulsions. But please be clear on one point - you will have to live with the consequences. In Jesus God offers you peace, and the forgiveness of your sins. You can say, “I don’t need it! And I don’t want it either!” And you may live accordingly. But then you are not to suppose that in the last five minutes of your life, when you are on the point of death, you will still be able to grasp what God has been offering to you for the length of a whole lifetime. You are free to reject God’s offer of peace in Christ Jesus, but then you must live for all eternity without having made your peace with God. And that is hell.

Hell is the place where you have finally and truly succeeded in getting rid of God. You are no longer invited. There is nothing calling you any longer. Perhaps you may want to pray, but you can’t do it any more. Perhaps you may want to call on the name of Jesus, but you can’t remember it any longer. You don’t need to accept this message I have for you. You can forget about converting to belief in Jesus, if that is what you want. But be clear about what you are doing, because you are choosing hell - and you have absolute freedom to do so!

”But you were unwilling!” Jesus tells the people of Jerusalem. He did not compel them in any way. But what they chose was horrible!

0

Wilhelm Busch (1897-1966) was a Pastor and youth worker in Essen, an evangelist, preacher, writer and author.

(This extract and the photo are taken from the book “Jesus unser Schicksal” [“Jesus our Destiny”], by W. Busch, Schriftenmissions-Verlag Gladbeck/Westfalen [Scriptural Mission Publications, Gladbeck/Westphalia], ISBN 3-7958-0364-0)


(See also Discourse 55; “Why does God permit suffering?”)


To state clearly once more what this blessed man of God says in the sermon quoted above:

"With God there are no compulsions. In the Kingdom of God, there is only an absolute freedom of the will."

Consequently too all questions why God “allows” all these dreadful things, like war, murder, crime, fraud, corruption etc., are being delivered to the wrong address. It is not God who allows all these things to happen, it is human beings who bring it all about with the complete freedom of will and action that God has granted them!

God only ever steps in when humanity is at risk of annihilating itself. So far the Holy Spirit has always held back the worst things from happening, e.g.:

Downfall of the Third Reich: according to the estimates of international experts today, if the Nazis had been in power for just two or three years more, the armaments they were in the process of developing (the atom bomb, V1 and V2 rockets, stealth airplanes) would have enabled them not only to win the war in Europe, they would also have been a menace to the whole world.

Cuba crisis: If John F. Kennedy, not regarded up to that point as particularly resolute, had not withstood the urgent appeals of his generals to attack the Russians, and if Khrushchev who for his part was known to be extremely impulsive had not on this occasion shown a whole lot of restraint, the world would have slid into its first atomic war.

Collapse of the Soviet Union: For seventy years the leaders of the Soviet Union were obsessed with the dream of a Communist world empire. Only Gorbachev brought about a turning point, so that both the dream and the Soviet Union itself collapsed.


And there have been many other “coincidences” from ancient through to modern times which we could point to in this connection. In this way God wants to give another chance to those human beings who come to see the light, and recognize that humanity is itself responsible for its actions and omissions. But unfortunately, even at present, there are still very few persons of understanding who are capable, in the light of all these events in the world, of grasping the situation and who decide to put their trust in this God.  

The eternal existence of every human being.

Every individual human being who leaves the amniotic sac of his or her mother alive in being physically born – who is "born of water" (amniotic fluid), that is to say (Jn 3:5) – receives a human spirit (1Cor 2:11) from God (Jn 4:24) with eternal existence (Mt 25:46). In the first, temporal and earthly part of their existence – in their life, human beings have the possibility of deciding, in complete freedom, without any compulsion and with the help of the spirit given them by God, whether or not they will give this God, the creator of all life, their complete trust and entire love.

After death, the human body returns to the dust from which it was made (Gen 2:7), but their spirit goes to the Kingdom of the Dead (Dan 12:2; 1Pet 3:18-19; 1Cor 15:23-24), where they pass the time until their resurrection in a state resembling sleep (1Thess 4:15-16).

In the Resurrection (Rom 6:4-5), the "rebirth from the spirit" (Mt 19:28; 1Pet 3:18; Jn 3:7), human beings are again given a body (Mt 22:30; Jn 3:8; Rom 8:10-11), similar to that of the Son of God after his resurrection (Jn 20:26-27).

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

1Cor 15,42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 15,43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 15,44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 15,45 So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, became a living soul." (Gen 2,7) The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 15,46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 15,46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 15,47 The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. 15,48 As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly. 15,49 Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly. 1Cor 15,42-49;

With this body the human being will then stand at the Last Judgment before the Son of God, who has been given the task by God (Jn 5:22, 26-27) of judging every human being on the basis of their earthly deeds and their decision for or against God while still alive (Rom 2:16).

Anyone who has decided for God and faith in his Son Jesus Christ in the course of his or her life (Jn 17:2-3) has the possibility of invoking before this court the expiatory death of the Son of God as a vicarious sacrifice for the sins of all humanity, and so atoning for his or her own sins and derelictions against the law of God (Jn 3:16), and so will meet with the mercy of God (Jn 5:24). Those people who have not accepted this faith cannot have their sins forgiven them, and so they will be condemned (Jn 3:36).

After the Last Judgment these condemned persons will spend their eternal existence in the darkness (Mt 22:13) of the damnation of the eternal fire (Mt 18:8), with weeping and gnashing of teeth (Mt 13:49-50) over the fact that they refused to come to faith while they were alive and have now come to realize that they can never again make up for it, and so cannot ever expect any further change in their condition.

Those who have been forgiven, on the other hand, will spend their eternal life (Mt 25:46) in the New Creation in the light of God on a new earth (Rev 20:11) and under a new sky created by God (Rev 21:1-3,5).

In the light of this, the well known evangelist and preacher Wilhelm Busch said to his hearers, “You don’t need to accept the message I am giving you. You can choose not to convert to Jesus. But just be aware that this means you are choosing hell! You have complete freedom - it’s your choice!” (Discourse 55)

(See also discourse 22: “Is there such a thing as the immortality of the soul?”)




The cause of civil wars, famines and earthquakes in the Last Days: the beginning of birth pangs.

But now finally to answer the question of the commentator quoted at the start of this discourse:

(…) and then the text (Mt 24:6-8) goes on to say “and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes”, I ask myself similarly to your having asked yourself why there cannot be “nations against kingdoms” or “kingdoms against nations” why famines and earthquakes, specifically, should be associated with these events of war. Though one could still see the famines as the consequence of the many wars and acts of destruction in these countries, it seems exceedingly doubtful whether such things would be likely to trigger earthquakes as well.

Here I think that these statements of the Lord’s likewise need to be analyzed more closely. There is probably no question that a causative connection is meant, but on the other hand a purely causal dependency with famines and earthquakes as the consequences of war also seems to me inadequate as an explanation.

If we think of the situation in Sodom at that time which we quoted earlier, the homosexuality of the inhabitants of these cities in the Jordan valley was not, after all, the cause of the rain of fire and brimstone (Lk 17:28-29). This may have been the trigger, but it was not the cause. The cause was the godlessness of human beings and their refusing to observe the commandments of God. 

Now here it might be objected of course, with good reason, that the Bible was not around in the time of Lot and still less in the time of Noah so how were people at the time supposed to know what the commandments of God were? But that is again short-sighted. You don’t need the Bible in order to recognize the fundamental commandments of God for human societies and for the successful propagation of humanity.

God created fertilization between male and female creatures so that they should “be fruitful and multiply” (Gen 1:22). No act of sex between two male or two female beings has ever resulted in the birth of progeny. So it could not be more obvious here what the will of God is. But although human beings “know the ordinance of God” (Rom 1:32), they acted in their godlessness in accordance with their own will, their own wishes and lusts in the past as they do now.

And precisely that is the true cause then as now: the godlessness of human beings. They do not believe in a God who holds the destiny of this planet in his hands. They claim that there is no God. In cases where intelligent planning cannot be denied, they tell a pack of lies about “chance and greatly extended time periods”, and so suppose that they have no need of God because they already have everything under control.

And because God grants human beings free will on all levels, he responds to this wish of human beings as well: he withdraws, step by step and for a period, from his creation. Where hitherto God with his Holy Spirit has “restrained” everything (2Thes 2:7) and kept it within bounds, such as:

o  the wickedness of humanity (with wars, murders, crimes, fraud, corruption etc.),

o  the unpredictability of the environment (with plagues, epidemics, pandemics, swarms of pests etc.) and of the weather (with hot periods and wildfires, heavy rain and flooding, destructive hurricanes, climatic catastrophes and all the consequences for the infertility of the fields and resulting famines), as well as

o  the activities of our planet itself (with earthquakes, tsunamis and volcanic eruptions),

now all these things quite in response to the wishes of humanity are left to the “keeping” of the godless. The catastrophes that result from this (Rev 6:8), then, are caused by human beings, not yet by the judgments of God with billions of deaths (Rev 9:15). It is the "beginning of the birth pangs" as the Lord says in Mt 24,8 and not yet the "birth" itself this is only due to happen later!

But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.

Mt 24,6 "You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. 24,7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. 24,8 "But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs. Mt 24. 6- 8;

Lk 21,9 "When you hear of wars and tumults, do not be terrified; for these things must take place first, but the end does not follow immediately." 21,10 Then He continued by saying to them, "Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, 21,11 and there will be great earthquakes, and in various places plagues and famines; and there will be terrors and great signs from heaven. Lk 21, 9-11;

While they are saying, "Peace and safety!" then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child.

1The 5,1 Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you. 5,2 For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. 5,3 While they are saying, "Peace and safety!" then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape. 5,4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief; 1The 5, 1- 4;

Isa 26,9 At night my soul longs for You, Indeed, my spirit within me seeks You diligently; For when the earth experiences Your judgments The inhabitants of the world learn righteousness. Isa 26,9;


(See also Chapter 03: “The Great Tribulation.”)


And if we now look at this prophecy by the Lord in Mt 24,7,

"For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes."


we can recognize a quite different, much more serious and fundamental implication than just this matter of wars, famines and earthquakes. God has left this world for a time to human beings, so that they may recognize just how evil, helpless and incapable they are without God.

The biblical fact that homosexuality will be a trigger of the Great Tribulation is a new realization also for me, even after nearly 50 years of studying the Bible. After all, you don’t spend every day focusing on the perversity of the godless.

It was the same with the realization that “going after strange flesh” (Jude 1:7) is such an abomination to God (Lev 18:22), deserves to be “cut off from among the people” (Lev 18:29) and was actually the cause both of the Flood and of God’s annihilating the people of Sodom (quoted earlier).

And yet the apostles did prophesy this kind of thing to us in relation to the Last Days:

That they were saying to you, "In the last time there will be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts.

Jude 1,17 But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, 1,18 that they were saying to you, "In the last time there will be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts." 1,19 These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit. 1,20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 1,21 keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life. 1,22 And have mercy on some, who are doubting; 1,23 save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the flesh. Jude 1,17-23;


As we are told in Jude 1,23 above, the correctly believing Christian should “hate even the garment polluted by the flesh” the very clothing of a homosexual. But in some Christian congregations, they don’t even have anything against the person of homosexuals themselves. On the contrary, such people find a place in the congregation as leaders, elders or preachers.

It is also interesting to see that there are heterosexual persons in our society whom one would never dream of reproaching for the slightest sexual affinity with the same sex but who, as a result of the “mass dumbing down by the media” (Peter Scholl-Latour), are uncritical enough to let themselves be influenced to such a degree that they see homosexuality as something that is “perfectly normal”.

At some point, though, the question is going to be asked: “If homosexuals are normal, then, doesn’t it follow that heterosexuals, who after all (in the truest sense of the word!) are the exact opposite in sexual terms, must be abnormal?” One wonders whether gays and lesbians will then be willing to tolerate this kind of “abnormal” in their society?



World history: a week with days of a thousand years

With the short presentation of the Second Coming of the Lord and the Rapture in discourse 122, we can at least see the sequential arrangement of these two individual events. But we are still lacking (and this has likewise been the case in previous interpretations along these lines) any concrete allocation of these events to our own real temporal dimension. We know that all this will happen in the future. But in what future? In a thousand years, in ten thousand years, in a century or in a decade?

Hitherto in biblical exposition it has not been possible to find a halfway concrete – by which we mean realistic – interpretation which would be subject to scrutiny (especially and above all in the light of the Bible). Those "biblical researchers" had a quick way of putting the kibosh on such attempts, by quoting Matthew’s "But of that day and hour no one knows" (Mt 24,36).
 

Now, however, it has proved possible – here at Immanuel.at – to anchor this kind of approach in Scripture and as a result to develop an interpretation that accords with reality. In the following table Peter’s statement that "with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day" is taken as the basis, and combined with the biblical count of years (still included to the present day in the Jewish calendar). This is then supplemented by the biblical circumstance that the Millennium, the thousand years Kingdom of Peace of our Lord Jesus Christ, is "that rest" (Heb 4,3-6) and the Sabbath of God (Israel will dwell in security, Jer 23,6; 33,16; Isa 38,14; Micah 5,3; Zach 14,11), they will no longer learn war ( Isa 2,4; Micah 4,3). And finally we are also faced with the consideration that the judgments of seals, trumpets and bowls in Revelation are likewise based on this "weekly scheme" of a unit of 6+1 "days"..

(See also Table 14: “he Revelation – classified by events.”)

So if the last thousand years of this world are the "Sabbath of God" and a thousand years with the Lord are like one day, then the six thousand years before this (according to the biblical / Jewish count of years) correspond to the six days of the week. And so it becomes possible to present the time of world history from a biblical point of view in a frame of seven thousand years, and to arrange relevant events of a worldly and biblical nature in a "real time" perspective.

 
Jewish
day of the week
 
Jewish
counting
years
 running
 
THE MILLENNIAL WEEK
But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 2Pet 3,8;
Christian
counting
years
BC/AD
 
Christian
day of the week
 
 
 
 
Jom Rischon
 
 
0
200
400
600
930
1000
Creation of Adam and Eve
 
 
 
Death of Adam
 
-3760
-3560
-3360
-3160
-2830
-2760
 
 
 
Sunday
 
 
 
 
 
Jom Scheni
 
 
1056
1200
1656
1755
1946
2000
Birth of Noah
 
Flood
Dispersion (confusion of languages in Babel)
Birth of Abram
 
-2704
-2560
-2104
-2005
-1814
-1760
 
 
 
Monday
 
 
 
 
 
Jom Schlischi
 
 
2006
2121
2200
2400
2647
2767
Death of Noah
Death of Abraham
 
 
Birth of Mose
Death of Mose 
-1754
-1639
-1560
-1360
-1113
-993
 
 
 
Tuesday
 
 
 
 
 
Jom Revi'i
 
 
3000
3174
3200
3400
3600
3760
 
Destruction of the Solomonic Temple
 
 
 
Birth of Jesus Christ
-760
-586
-560
-360
-160
0
 
 
 
Wednesday
 
 
 
 
 
Jom Chamischi
 
 
4000
4200
4236
4400
4600
4855
 
 
End of the Western Roman Empire
 
 
Start of the Crusades
240
440
476
640
840
1095
 
 
 
Thursday
 
 
 
 
 
Jom Schischi
 
 
5000
5252
5400
5600
5777
5800
 
Discovery of America
 
 
2016 AD
The Great Tribulation
1240
1492
1640
1840
2016
2040
 
 
 
Friday
 
 
 
 
 
Schabbat
 
 
6000
6200
6400
6600
6800
7000
Start of The Millennium
Kingdom of peace of the Son of God
(Heb 4:9-10) 
 
 
The end of the world / The Resurrection
2240
2440
2640
2840
3040
3240
 
 
 
Saturday
 
 

(See also Table 20: “World history: A week with millennial days.”)

(See also Table 01: “Chronological table from Adam to Jacob.”)



(Texts enclosed in a black frame are quoted from visitors to the site or other authors.)

(Ten thousand march in Gay Pride parade in Tel Aviv / SWI swissinfo.ch 00, 2014-06-18)

In Israel, at the annual Gay Pride parade through Tel Aviv, ten thousand people demanded equal rights for sexual minorities. Accompanied by music and rainbow flags, the march passed peacefully through the streets of the city.

Around 30,000 tourists had specially traveled here to attend the parade, which has been going since 1998 and is thought to be one of the biggest of its kind in the world. “We still want to be able to raise families, get married and basically just be like the rest of the world, with the same rights,” said 25 year old Maor Rozdoba from Tel Aviv. The city council signaled its solidarity by lighting up the town hall at night in all the colors of the rainbow, and painting some sidewalks in bright polychromatic tones.

SW swissinfo.ch



The call for “equal rights for sexual minorities” also includes child abusers, sodomites, sadists and masochists. They are all - thank God - still minorities. And now we are being told they should be given equal rights?

The assertion “We still want to be able to raise families” completely ignores the purpose of the family. The family serves for the propagation of the human race - in the truest sense of the word, it is a necessity of life for humanity and it is barred to couples of the same sex in the very nature of the case. The “family (…) with equal rights” which the gay brigade dreams of is an ongoing homosexual sex party, with the full financial support of the tax payer.


Ten thousands at the Gay Pride parade in Istanbul / Krone.at 23.06.2014



0   0
Best of Maspalomas Pride 2014

You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion. Lev 18:22-23;


THE FIRST SIGN OF STUPIDITY IS THE COMPLETE LACK OF SHAME.

  (Sigmund Freud)




(Texts enclosed in a black frame are quoted from visitors to the site or other authors.)

(Homosexual Activist Admits True Purpose of Battle is to Destroy Marriage /  By Micah Clark 00, 2013-04-05)

Even knowing that there are radicals in all movements, doesn’t lessen the startling admission recently by lesbian journalist Masha Gessen. On a radio show she actually admits that homosexual activists are lying about their radical political agenda. She says that they don’t want to access the institution of marriage; they want to radically redefine and eventually eliminate it.

0

Jewish journalist and lesbian activist Masha Gessen


Here is what she recently said on a radio interview:

“It’s a no-brainer that (homosexual activists) should have the right to marry, but I also think equally that it’s a no-brainer that the institution of marriage should not exist. …(F)ighting for gay marriage generally involves lying about what we are going to do with marriage when we get there - because we lie that the institution of marriage is not going to change, and that is a lie. The institution of marriage is going to change, and it should change. And again, I don’t think it should exist. And I don’t like taking part in creating fictions about my life. That’s sort of not what I had in mind when I came out thirty years ago. I have three kids who have five parents, more or less, and I don’t see why they shouldn’t have five parents legally… I met my new partner, and she had just had a baby, and that baby’s biological father is my brother, and my daughter’s biological father is a man who lives in Russia, and my adopted son also considers him his father. So the five parents break down into two groups of three… And really, I would like to live in a legal system that is capable of reflecting that reality, and I don’t think that’s compatible with the institution of marriage.”

(Source: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/lifematters/why-get-married/4058506)

For quite some time, the defenders of natural marriage have attempted to point out that the true agenda behind the homosexual demands organizations is not marriage equality; it is the total unraveling of marriage and uprooting traditional values from society. (This will ultimately include efforts to silence and punish some churches that openly adhere to their religious teachings about marriage and sexual morality.)

While few have been as vocal as this lesbian activist was in this interview, we do have numerical examples proving her point. When given the opportunity to marry, after laws have been struck down relatively small percentages of homosexuals actually bother to marry compared to their heterosexual counterparts. This raises question about the true need to unravel marriage for the "fair" extension its benefits. Only 12 percent of homosexuals in the Netherlands marry compared to 86 percent of their heterosexual peers. Less than 20 percent of same-sex couples already living together in California married when given the chance in 2008. In contrast, 91 percent of heterosexual couples in California who are living together are married.

Clearly this is about cultural change and tearing down the traditional family ethic, since it seems that most homosexuals living together neither need nor desire to marry, though they do desire to radically change marriage.

Gays and lesbians are free to live as they choose, and we live in a society which roundly applauds them doing so like never before in our history, but they do not have the right to rewrite marriage for all of society.

lesbian journalist


In order to make sense of the statement of this Lesbian journalist - “So the five parents break down into two groups of three” - we may have to embark on some painstaking analysis, but in fact she is correct. The child to whom her partner has given birth has been fathered by her brother, and in her and the partner has two mothers. And likewise her daughter and her adopted son have two mothers - herself and her partner - as well as a father in the “man who lives in Russia”.

Now it is altogether understandable that she should observe, “And really, I would like to live in a legal system that is capable of reflecting that reality.” Every tax fraudster would be equally happy to live in a legal system that made tax fraud the norm rather than the exception. 

But this of course makes it glaringly apparent that it is not the legal system that is at issue - it is simply the fact that some people just do not want to abide by the principles agreed by society, and then they complain that the legal system cannot reflect the deviant “reality” that they have created.

The institution of marriage has proved its value in western society for almost two thousand years, and its right to exist (denied by the lesbian journalist) is based on the indisputable fact that human society can only continue through the begetting of progeny, and two women or two men together do not have the natural capacity to beget progeny in this way. 

This natural law is the basis of the institution of marriage, and anyone who denies it has either had a defective sexual education or is endeavoring to lead society by the nose. As Micah Clark, the author of the above article, quite correctly writes, in our society gays and lesbians can live in any way they like. But that does not entitle them to dictate to those members of the population whose proclivities are normal that they must adapt their ethical principles and sexual mores to those with abnormal (that is to say homosexual) proclivities.

Praise the LORD, all nations; Laud Him, all peoples! For His lovingkindness is great toward us
And the truth of the LORD is everlasting.
Praise the LORD!