Discourse 46 ‒ Statement by Chief Rabbi M. A. Friedmann, Vienna




On the man

The occasion

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The State of Israel today does not have any right to exist, either in biblical or in historical terms / M. A. Friedmann 00, 2006-08-05

When Jews rule the world / Brother Nathanael Kapner 00, 2012-12-11

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Neturei Karta Condemns Israeli Attack on Humanitarian Flotilla. / Neturei Karta 00, 2010-06-11

Israel makes a ploy of the holocaust and antisemitism. / Prof. Moshe Zuckermann, KURIER daily newspaper, 2010-10-21

WikiLeaks exposed the true Mideast conflict. / Ari Shavit, Haaretz daily newspaper, 2010-12-03

Opening address by Chief Rabbi M. A. Friedmann / International Conference of Rabbis 2004, Vienna

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Palestine: Land Without People for People Without Land?     Part 2, Discourse 462




On the man

Moishe Arye Friedmann is Chief Rabbi of the Orthodox Jewish congregation in Vienna (not to be confused with Michel Friedman, the Vice-President of the Central Council of the Jews in Germany). He comes of a strongly traditional family of rabbis, was born in New York, and is 30 years old and the father of six children. He directs his own synagogue in Vienna. Going by what he says, there are some 1000 Jews in Austria who share the views of the Orthodox Jewish community.

At the height of the sanctions against Austria and its black-blue government, Friedmann joined with Orthodox Jewish Chief Rabbis from all over the world to insert an advertisement in the New York Times for the price of 24,000 euros, defending Austria.

Friedmann has now let it be known that he wishes to bring three Palestinian children who were injured in the fighting in Israel to Austria for medical treatment, and he has already been promised help, from Karl Blecha amongst others, the President of the Österreichisch-Arabische-Gesellschaft [Austro-Arab Society] and former Minister of the Interior of the Socialist Party.

The occasion

The Austrian Public Attorney Ewald Stadler (Austrian Liberal Party), on the occasion of his bonfire speech at a midsummer night’s party on 21 June, made the statement that in the year 1945 Austria was "supposedly liberated from fascism and tyranny" by the occupying powers. This aroused the indignation of certain politicians belonging to parties represented in the Austrian parliament, and Public Attorney Stadler was called upon to resign his office.

Likewise the President of the Israelitische Kultusgemeinde Wien [Israelite Religious Community of Vienna], Ariel Muzikant, and the – "Jüdische Forum"[Jewish Forum] declared that Stadler was unacceptable as an Public Attorney for Nazi victims, and urged his two colleagues in office “to consider the situation and to take steps.”

Finally even the Austrian federal President, Dr Thomas Klestil, felt impelled to assert in admonitory tones that Austria was indeed liberated in 1945 from fascism and the Nazi dictatorship. In a letter to the federal President, Mr. Stadler promptly expressed his essential agreement with the federal President’s remarks, but pointed out nonetheless that during the ten years when Austria was under occupation, the Red Army was guilty of many crimes against Austrians. Stadler pursued this argument from analogy further, arguing that while the Nazi dictatorship is ‒ quite rightly ‒ condemned, all the same the crimes of the Red Army during the years of occupation are never referred to, nor, above all, is the dictatorship of Stalin, in the course of which millions of people in the Soviet Union lost their lives; and he, Stadler, wanted for once to speak plainly about this.


(Texts enclosed in a black frame are quoted from visitors to the site or other authors.)

(Statement by Moishe Arye Friedmann, Chief Rabbi of the Orthodox Jewish congregation, Vienna, Austria, to the Austria Presse Agentur ‒ APA [Austrian Press Agency] on 13. 7. 2002).


Unjustified attack on Public Attorney Ewald Stadler.

1) The liberty to express one’s opinions and engage in free discussion is the fundamental principle of a democracy such as we have in Austria. Demands that a politician should resign because of the opinions he has expressed contradict this fundamental principle, and should therefore be rejected.

2) As Jews true to our faith, we decline any kind of involvement in the internal affairs of Austria, and call on the other Jewish organizations as well to make Jewish matters their principal concern, and in particular to refrain from putting any pressure on Austria or on Austrian politicians. Already at the time when the new Austrian government was formed, we joined with Orthodox Chief Rabbis from all over the world to place an advertisement in the New York Times in which all criticism of Austria for the democratic decision of its citizens was clearly rebutted.

The withdrawal of the Israeli ambassador, therefore, was in our view incomprehensible. For us Jews true to our faith, the presence or absence of an Israeli ambassador is actually completely irrelevant. Austria as well should pursue its own interests as a first priority, without having regard to the status of the diplomatic representation of a single country.

3) In this matter Public Attorney Stadler has our full support. In the retrospective evaluation of the Second World War a one-sided and distorted view of things is dominant today, and Zionist groups use the events of that time as a basis for political and financial blackmail. This, though, is just the kind of thing that encourages the reemergence of anti-Semitism. Public Attorney Stadler is one of the few Austrian politicians who are able to distinguish between Jews and Zionists. Just for that reason the attempt is being made to silence him. Public Attorney Stadler has done much for our Orthodox community, and from private conversations with him I know that he is very well aware that the year 1945 brought freedom to a great many people, including all those who suffered persecution under the Nazi regime. On the other hand it is also incontestable that for a great many people the year 1945 did not bring freedom ‒ especially all those who were the victims of the Red Army and of Stalinism. A differentiated discussion of the concept of liberation is therefore both possible and useful. Not even for us Jews true to our faith was the year 1945 a real liberation, because following from it, with the Holocaust as a justification, the state of Israel was founded by the use of force, which contradicts the will of God. As Jews true to our faith we accept the fate of the Diaspora which God has laid upon us. But the founding of the state of Israel has not just damaged the Jews on this religious plane; the means and the methods used by Israel to secure its existence against the Palestinians damage all Jews world-wide, and encourage the rebirth of anti-Semitism. For Jews true to their faith it is clear, however, that the Diaspora is the fate laid upon us by God until the coming of the Messiah.

Discussion of the Second World War and its consequences must be objective and free of emotion. If Public Attorney Stadler has now pointed to aspects of the matter that previously could hardly be alluded to and to victims who were never spoken of, this contributes to making the discussion more objective. He should therefore be allowed to continue to express his opinions. Austria can be proud that it has such a politician.

Friedmann



As this is a discussion forum for Christian theology, not for politics, the political aspect of this affair must be left aside. But Chief Rabbi Friedmann’s repeated statement that “a Jewish state created with weapons and by the use of force contradicts the will of God” happens to be the very same view which is advocated in the contributions of Immanuel.at, and it has frequently been the topic of lively discussion in this forum.

Whereas the advocates of the “1948 Gathering” theory take the view that the founding of the state of Israel, in 1948, was the beginning of the gathering of Israel from all over the world as prophesied in the Bible, at Immanuel.at it has repeatedly been demonstrated in the light of Scripture that the foundation of the Israeli state in 1948 was by no means the return of Israel to its land as promised by God, but rather was (and still is) a gathering sustained and carried on by Theodor Herzl and his Zionist comrades in arms ‒ the product, then, of human will and aspiration.

The proof here is demonstrable: it lies in the fact that the gathering of Israel that is willed by God has various preconditions, and is to have certain subsequent effects on the behavior of the people of Israel.

For I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands and bring you into your own land.

Ezk 36,22 Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for My holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you went. 36,23 I will vindicate the holiness of My great name which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD,” declares the Lord GOD, “when I prove Myself holy among you in their sight. 36,24 For I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands and bring you into your own land. 36,25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.” Eze 36,22-25;


In this passage, at Eze 36,23-24 for instance, we are told that

through the gathering together of Israel the nations will know that God is the Lord.


What, now, have the nations of the world learned since the year 1948, in connection with the development of Israel?

-  They have learned that it is not possible with impunity to drive an entire people ‒ the Palestinians ‒ out of their own country or to intern them in their own country in “refugee camps”.

-  The whole world has learned that this return of Israel in the time since 1948 was not a gathering of the people by God, but an occupation founded on military force, leading to thousands of deaths on both sides.

-  If the assertion of the Zionists ‒ which is unfortunately also supported by some Christian commentators ‒ were correct, that this is the return of Israel that is willed by God, the nations of the world would also have learned that the God of Israel has for over 50 years been unable to fulfill his prophecies. Seen from this angle, the claim that this prophecy has been fulfilled already comes close to being blasphemous.


(See also Discourse 08: “The gathering of Israel: already since 1948, or not to happen until the Last Days?”)

Moreover the Lord promises in Eze 36,24 above to take his people from the nations, gather them together from all lands and bring them back to Israel. And in the same breath we find the statement “Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.” This, then, is another of the consequences of the gathering promised by God: when the Lord has brought them to Israel, he will cleanse them from all their filthiness.

But if we now consider the people of Israel as it is today, it differs in no way from the heathen nations. It was and is not the Lord, their God and ours, who led them (Jer 16,15; 31,8; etc.). The Almighty has no influence or importance either for Israel’s politics or for its economics, or even, in some respects, for its religion.

Many of the Jews living in Israel today may be Jews in terms of their origins, but not in terms of the promise. Moreover it is a fact that a great part of the population of Israel ‒ especially the great majority of Russian immigrants ‒ is without any religion at all. It is such people who are referred to by those passages in the Old Testament which see the land of Israel as being inhabited in the Last Days, and yet complain that the people dwelling in Jerusalem refuse to know the Lord their God, but instead worship idols (the idols of politics, economics, finance etc.).

There is also the fact that since the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple by Titus in the year 70 AD, religious service in keeping with the Scriptures has not been possible in Israel. Sacrifice and meal offerings can be made, in keeping with the Jewish code, only when there is a Temple with an altar in Jerusalem, on Mount Zion.

Israel, then, is “without sacrifice” today, as we read in Hos 3,4.

For the sons of Israel will remain for many days without king or prince, without sacrifice.

Hos 3,4 For the sons of Israel will remain for many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar and without ephod or household idols. 3,5 Afterward the sons of Israel will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king; and they will come trembling to the LORD and to His goodness in the last days. Hos 3, 4- 5;


Only afterwards, that is, at the end of this long period, will the Israelites return and seek the Lord their God, “and they will come trembling to the Lord and to His goodness in the last days”. And this, now, is plainly one of the conditions for the return of Israel to its land: that it be converted to its God.

The sons of Israel and of Judah will come, they will go along weeping as they go, and it will be the LORD their God they will seek.

Jer 50,4 “In those days and at that time,” declares the LORD, “the sons of Israel will come, both they and the sons of Judah as well; they will go along weeping as they go, and it will be the LORD their God they will seek. 50,5 They will ask for the way to Zion, turning their faces in its direction; they will come that they may join themselves to the LORD in an everlasting covenant that will not be forgotten”. Jer 50, 4- 5;

All Israel will be saved until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

Rom 11,25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery‒so that you will not be wise in your own estimation‒that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 11,26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, “the deliverer will come from Zion, He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.” 11,27 “This is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins.” Rom 11,25-27;


As a precondition for the gathering and return of the people to its land as promised by Scripture, we can also draw the fairly clear conclusion from Rom 11,25 that this will only begin when the hearts of the Gentiles have hardened to such a degree that there is no chance that any more of them will turn to God. Only then will the Israelites be converted to their God, and seek him (another precondition) trembling and weeping. But as ‒ thank the Lord ‒ there are still many Gentiles who are turning to God, and on the other hand the Jews are not yet seeking their God trembling and weeping, it is quite clear that the time of these promises has not yet dawned.

But as the Israelites have returned to their land all the same ‒ as a result of their own political endeavors and not at the bidding of their God ‒ while on the other hand the prophecies of the gathering of the Israelites from the entire world must one day, in spite of this, be fulfilled, the Jews in Israel ‒ if we are to take these prophecies seriously ‒ will once again, for a last time, be subjected to the terror and torment of deportation and Diaspora.

(See also Chapter 02: “The conquest and the dispersion of Jerusalem.”)

The question to what extent this banishment of the Jews in Israel that is to be expected in later times could have been avoided if they had not willfully, without any of the attendant circumstances prophesied in Scripture having shown themselves, returned to their land makes us think of the laments of the Lord over this people (Ps 95,10-11): “They are a people who err in their heart, and they do not know My ways. Therefore I swore in My anger, Truly they shall not enter into My rest.” (cf. Heb 3,10-11).

Only after this last trial, then, will God gather them from this Diaspora of later times and bring them back to their land. The Israelites who will then remain will be that remnant who will seek their God trembling and weeping. To them belong all those promises of the Kingdom of God on earth, and also the loving assurance made by God “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.”

I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it.

Jer 31,31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 31,32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD. 31,33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the LORD, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 31,34 They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,” for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the LORD, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.“” Jer 31,31-34;

I will bring them again to this land; and I will build them up and not overthrow them.

Jer 24,6 ‘For I will set My eyes on them for good, and I will bring them again to this land; and I will build them up and not overthrow them, and I will plant them and not pluck them up. 24,7 ‘I will give them a heart to know Me, for I am the LORD; and they will be My people, and I will be their God, for they will return to Me with their whole heart. Jer 24, 6- 7;

Then they will know that I am the LORD their God because I gathered them again to their own land.

Hes 39,26 “They will forget their disgrace and all their treachery which they perpetrated against Me, when they live securely on their own land with no one to make them afraid. 39,27 When I bring them back from the peoples and gather them from the lands of their enemies, then I shall be sanctified through them in the sight of the many nations. 39,28 Then they will know that I am the LORD their God because I made them go into exile among the nations, and then gathered them again to their own land; and I will leave none of them there any longer. 39,29 I will not hide My face from them any longer, for I will have poured out My Spirit on the house of Israel,” declares the Lord GOD. Hes 39,26-29;


Here too, in Eze 39,26.28, we see another of the subsequent effects which will be found after the gathering of the people of Israel: they will live securely on their own land and they will know that God is the Lord. And the Almighty will pour out his spirit on the house of Israel.

As we know, the Israelites have now been living for over 50 years in their land without any kind of security, and are now actually being forced to erect a protective wall right across the country, with a height of about 8 meters and a length of 350 kilometers, for an estimated cost of 700 million dollars. As for the spirit of God being poured out on the people of Israel as they are today, probably not even the Israelis themselves would care to make such a claim.

The most obvious feature that proves that this return of the people since 1948 is not the gathering promised by God is the fact that Israel has had to fight the Palestinians for this land from the very beginning, and thousands of people have been killed on both sides in a war that has now lasted for fifty years! This cannot be the will of God, and it is not the will of God either, as we are told by a relevant Old Testament prophecy, in Hosea 1,5-7:

I will not deliver them by bow, sword, battle, horses or horsemen.

Hos 1,5 "On that day I will break the bow of Israel in the valley of Jezreel." 1,6 Then she conceived again and gave birth to a daughter. And the LORD said to him, "Name her Lo-ruhamah, for I will no longer have compassion on the house of Israel, that I would ever forgive them. 1,7 “But I will have compassion on the house of Judah and deliver them by the LORD their God, and will not deliver them by bow, sword, battle, horses or horsemen.” Hos 1, 5- 7;

‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,” says the LORD of hosts.

Zech 4,6 Then he said to me, "This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel saying, ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,” says the LORD of hosts.. Zech 4, 6;


In 1948 Israel has occupied Palestine by force of arms in contradiction to Scriptures and to the will of God, expelled the inhabitants and founded a Zionist state. They are "the house of Israel" in the prophecy of the Prophet Hosea here above, on which God  no more will have compassion, that he would ever forgive them.

Completely different is the "house of Judah" which the Prophet names, on which God will have compassion and deliver them by the LORD their God, and will not deliver them by arms and war. These are the orthodox true-believing Jews in the whole world, who trust in their God and accept in humility the fate of the Diaspora which God has laid upon them. They did not go to Israel and remained in the Diaspora as it is written in Scriptures. They only will return when the prophecies will be fulfilled and the Messiah had come and lead them back into their land. So it is highly probable that it is all the descendants of these true-believing orthodox Jews over the whole world, who will actually be gathered in when the Messiah comes, and brought back to their land of Israel.

(See also Chapter 09: “The return home of the redeemed.”)


Likewise the relative insignificance of Israel in the world of politics, which without the “patronage” of the USA would be even more marked, is in contrast with the scriptural promises for the time after the gathering and return willed by God have come about.

Sing aloud with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations.

Jer 31,7 For thus says the LORD, “Sing aloud with gladness for Jacob, And shout among the chief of the nations; Proclaim, give praise and say, ‘O LORD, save Your people, The remnant of Israel.’ 31,8 Behold, I am bringing them from the north country, And I will gather them from the remote parts of the earth, Among them the blind and the lame, The woman with child and she who is in labor with child, together; A great company, they will return here.“ Jer 31, 7- 8;


According to Jer 31,7 above, after the gathering to its own land Israel is to be the “chief of the nations” ‒ that is to say, the leading nation on earth (see also Deut 28,1). If we consider Israel today and its politics in relation to the neighboring countries, we can only be glad that the advocates of the “1948 Gathering” theory are mistaken in their view, otherwise this world today would probably look rather different.

From 1948 to the present time, then, not one of the prerequisites or subsequent effects that were prophesied in connection with the gathering and return of Israel ‒ such as the conversion of Israel to its God, the pouring out of the Holy Spirit on the people of Israel, the indication that on this occasion the Israelites will come weeping and will seek their God, the end of wars etc. etc. ‒ have been fulfilled.

From this only one conclusion can be drawn: that this “gathering” since 1948 cannot possibly be fulfillment of the scriptural prophecies in question. This return of Israel was the work of Theodor Herzl and his Zionists, who carried on this project with great success. The gathering of the people of Israel that is promised in Scripture, on the other hand, will be brought about by a different person.

The Messiah (Christ) will bring Jacob back to Him, so that Israel might be gathered to Him.

Isa 49,1 Listen to Me, O islands, And pay attention, you peoples from afar. The LORD called Me from the womb; From the body of My mother He named Me. 49,2 He has made My mouth like a sharp sword, In the shadow of His hand He has concealed Me; And He has also made Me a select arrow, He has hidden Me in His quiver. 49,3 He said to Me, “You are My Servant, Israel, In Whom I will show My glory.” 49,4 But I said, “I have toiled in vain, I have spent My strength for nothing and vanity; Yet surely the justice due to Me is with the LORD, And My reward with My God.”

49,5 And now says the LORD, who formed Me from the womb to be His Servant, To bring Jacob back to Him, so that Israel might be gathered to Him (For I am honored in the sight of the LORD, And My God is My strength),49,6 He says, “It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also make You a light of the nations So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth.” Isa 49, 1- 6;


The above passage, Isa 49,1-6, tell us who will bring back Israel and gather it to its God. It is Israel’s Messiah, the Son of God, Our Lord Jesus Christ, who has not only become a light to the Gentiles but will also in these Last Days become the redeemer of the people of God who are of Israel. He will re-erect the fallen booth of David and build it as it was in former times.

One thing, though, applies here to Jews as it does to us Christians: before their Messiah and Our Lord Jesus Christ comes, Scripture tells us that a deceiver will appear who will proclaim himself as the “true” Christ, that is to say, as the “true Messiah” (Gr. Christos = anointed one = Hebr. Messiah). This Antichrist will be given miraculous powers by Satan and will lead the whole world astray, including the Jews. It is therefore very important to be aware that the first “Christ/Messiah” who comes will be an impostor.

(See also Chapter 01: “The seventieth week of seven years.”)

As can easily be established in the light of our exposition up to this point, the Christian position is in complete agreement with the views of the Orthodox Jewish congregation and its Chief Rabbi Moishe Arye Friedmann. Both sides confirm that

-  a Jewish state like Israel which has been set up by force of arms contradicts the will of God

-  the state of Israel founded in 1948 was the result only of the political will and endeavors of the Zionists

-  this “gathering” since the year 1948 is in no way the fulfillment of the prophecies in this respect in Holy Scripture

-  the true gathering of the people of Israel from all over the world as intended by God, and its return to its own land, will only take place when the Messiah comes.


And although Jews and Christians are characterized by fundamental differences of belief on many articles of faith ‒ especially with regard to Jesus of Nazareth ‒ in this case two identical statements emerge, quite independent of each other; and the reason for this is that both sides derive their understanding of these events exclusively from the unadulterated words of Holy Scripture.

Those, then, who place the gathering of Israel promised by God back in the year 1948 have either not studied the relevant statements made by Scripture in sufficient depth, or else they are suppressing all these contradictions so that they will not have to give up a relatively striking element in Christian preaching ‒ a “trump card”: the so-called “proof” that this prophecy has been fulfilled in our own time. One participant in the discussion (W. Hink of the “Christadelphian”) put it in the following terms, not long ago, in this discussion forum:

“In thinking to deny that the return of Israel to its land before the eyes of the generations who have lived from 1948 up to the present is God’s doing, you are giving away the highest trump card that he has given us for our proclamation of the gospel today. In the return home of Israel in our days we have the best, because palpable, proof that the Bible really is God’s revelation of his intentions and therefore that it is true!“

(See also Discourse 29: “Are we living in the Last Days?”)

The “trump card” ‒ if that is really how we want to think of it ‒ and the ‘palpable proof that the Bible really is God’s revelation of his intentions, and therefore that it is true” is something that we evangelical Christians will look for not in the year 1948 or in the gathering of the people of Israel ‒ though that might be Israel’s “trump card” ‒ but rather two thousand years ago, in the cross on Golgotha. There Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, performed the redeeming sacrifice for the sins of the world. This is the “good news”, this is the gospel that must be proclaimed ‒ and not the founding of the state of Israel in 1948.

But characteristically that same participant in the discussion quoted above, and his congregation of Christian believers, refuse to acknowledge that Jesus Christ was God, and deny his divinity in the same way as the High Priest Kaiphas once did when Jesus was condemned to death. It is therefore not surprising that he should be lacking the most important argument for his “proclamation of the gospel” ‒ namely that God in his Son, Jesus Christ, died as a man for the salvation of the world ‒ so that he needs this “trump card” as a substitute.

(See also Discourse 26: “The Trinity: an unbiblical conceptual model?”)

But to come back now to Chief Rabbi Friedmann and the Orthodox Jewish religious community ‒ it can be very clearly seen that there are important differences of belief between them and the other Jewish religious communities. The refusal of these Orthodox Jews to go to Israel preserves them from involvement with all that is taking place in that country, and so having to share the responsibility for it in the sight of God.

Here it is not just a matter of the general leveling of belief which is ever more prevalent in that country, but also of moral developments, which step by step look more and more like those of the rest of the world. So for instance the forced resignation of Ezer Weizmann and Benjamin Netanjahu from the two highest offices of state ‒ that of President and that of Prime Minister ‒ for bribery and corruption were not isolated incidents. Even the member of parliament and leader of the religious “Shas” party, Ariel Deri, was condemned in court for corruption and dishonesty.

The decision of these orthodox Jews ‒ who also call themselves “Jews true to their faith” ‒ to accept patiently the fate of the Diaspora that God has laid on them, until the coming of the Messiah, of necessity puts them in the situation promised in Scripture, so that at the coming of the Messiah they will be scattered throughout the world. They therefore fulfill the first of the basic prerequisites for this prophecy: they are Jews, they are true believers and they are scattered among all countries and not in Israel, where, according to Scripture, the wrath of God will fall upon the Jews and only a small remnant will survive.

I bring you out from the peoples and gather you from the lands where you are scattered.

Ezk 20,1 “As a soothing aroma I will accept you when I bring you out from the peoples and gather you from the lands where you are scattered; and I will prove Myself holy among you in the sight of the nations.” Eze 20,41;

I will gather the outcast, and their shame into praise and renown In all the earth.

Zeph 3,19 “Behold, I am going to deal at that time With all your oppressors, I will save the lame And gather the outcast, And I will turn their shame into praise and renown In all the earth. 3,20 At that time I will bring you in, Even at the time when I gather you together; Indeed, I will give you renown and praise Among all the peoples of the earth, When I restore your fortunes before your eyes,” Says the LORD. Zeph 3,19-20;

he peoples will take them along and bring them to their place.

Isa 14,1 When the LORD will have compassion on Jacob and again choose Israel, and settle them in their own land, then strangers will join them and attach themselves to the house of Jacob. 14,2 The peoples will take them along and bring them to their place, and the house of Israel will possess them as an inheritance in the land of the LORD as male servants and female servants; and they will take their captors captive and will rule over their oppressors. Isa 14, 1- 2;

In those days ten men from all the nations will grasp the garment of a Jew, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”

Zech 8,20 “Thus says the LORD of hosts, ‘It will yet be that peoples will come, even the inhabitants of many cities. 8,21 ‘The inhabitants of one will go to another, saying, Let us go at once to entreat the favor of the LORD, and to seek the LORD of hosts; I will also go.”

8,22 ‘So many peoples and mighty nations will come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem and to entreat the favor of the LORD.’ 8,23 “Thus says the LORD of hosts, ‘In those days ten men from all the nations will grasp the garment of a Jew, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”‘” Zech 8,20-23;

They will bring your sons in their bosom, and your daughters will be carried on their shoulders.

Isa 49,22 Thus says the Lord GOD, “Behold, I will lift up My hand to the nations And set up My standard to the peoples; And they will bring your sons in their bosom, And your daughters will be carried on their shoulders.” Isa 49,22;


According to Scripture, then, it is highly probable that it is above all the descendants of these men and women, of these true-believing orthodox Jews over the whole world, who will actually be gathered in when the Messiah comes, and brought back to their land of Israel. They are the ones referred to by all those promises that God has made to his people: from the pouring out of the Holy Spirit, and the new and eternal covenant with their God, to their becoming “chief among the nations”.

God keeps His lovingkindness to those who love Him and keep His commandments.

Deut 7.9 "Know therefore that the LORD your God, He is God, the faithful God, who keeps His covenant and His lovingkindness to a thousandth generation with those who love Him and keep His commandments; 7,10 but repays those who hate Him to their faces, to destroy them; He will not delay with him who hates Him, He will repay him to his face. Deut 7, 9-10;




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(Has the Jewish-Orthodox congregation more sh..ts than any other community? / Posting Guitl Zajden 00, 2004-11-05*)).

(...) Channel 3, on the other hand, found a Rabbi in a keffieh - even monkeys are wearing them now, can you imagine? - namely the Rabbi Moishe Arye Friedmann, of the Jewish Orthodox community of Vienna. This can be expected to give pleasure to Sharon, who generally praises Orthodox Rabbis to the skies.

“A few dozen meters from the hospital a Rabbi, Moishe Arye Friedmann, states that he has come from Vienna to show his support for Yasser Arafat and the Palestinian people. «We have had contacts with Palestinians in Austria for some time», the 34-year-old Rabbi announces. He is wearing the traditional Ashkenazy headgear of the Jews of the East, and also has a scarf in the Palestinian colors round his neck. He explains that he has come, together with other Jews, in order to «support the President of the Palestinian Authority, to pray for his health and to demonstrate his solidarity with the Palestinians».”

I know that there are sh..ts in all walks of life, but the Jewish Orthodox community has more of them than any other.

http://www.immanuel.at/Diskurs46E.htm

It’s a pity that they go on reproducing themselves.


Israel-French

*) This contribution had been taken from the Israel-French Forum for Discussion
http://forum.israelfr.com/discus/messages/19/9524.html?1099682277 .



This contribution by Guitl Zajden to a French-Israeli discussion forum would hardly be worth referring to, but for the fact that it points to a paradox. The author quotes a report from the broadcasting station “France 3”, one that is fully objective and correct, and takes the opportunity of distorting it in order to let loose a hate-filled tirade against an entire Jewish ethnic group. This mode of expression is self-revealing, and those of us who are older will find it all too familiar. The Nazis too saw the Jews as shits who had to be extirpated. The remark at the end of this offering - “It’s a pity that they go on reproducing themselves” - can likewise be assimilated without incongruity to the jargon of those criminals of the Third Reich, from which we can infer the spiritual and intellectual level of the author.

If things are as they appear to be, then the author of this contribution is not a Neo-Nazi but a Jew. A Zionist Jew, admittedly, but still a Jew - one who here describes his co-religionists as shits and regrets that they go on reproducing themselves. Although the Jews have repeatedly asserted that they will never be able to forget the Holocaust and the sufferings that the Jewish people went through at that time, it is evident that characters are frequently to be found in their own ranks who prove the exact opposite: Jews who preach hatred of entire ethnic groups of other Jews - ones moreover who still stand by their faith - and are capable of saying that they regard the right of these their brothers and sisters to propagate themselves as an evil.

And that, now, is the paradox.



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(The State of Israel today does not have any right to exist, either in biblical or in historical terms / M. A. Friedmann 00, 2006-08-05)

My complete solidarity and support for the Lebanese people and its resistance fighters, above all for Hezbollah and its leader Sheikh Hasan Nasrallah, has resulted in astonishment and debate. So I would like here to make the facts perfectly plain. We have to do here on the one hand with a state the sovereignty of which is being injured for no good reason, together with a Shiite resistance movement that has an uncontrovertible right to exist, and on the other hand with the Zionist regime, which has no right to exist either in biblical or in historical terms and has no legitimation whatever, either based on the law of nations or in terms of the fundamental principles of our Jewish religion. We pray and hope that it will not be long before true peace is realized in the Near East, above all in the Holy Land. We pray too for an end to the shedding of the blood of innocent people, whether they are Christians, Moslems or Jews. We pray for peace and justice in Lebanon, Baghdad, Tehran and the whole of Palestine, with a Jerusalem that has been liberated from Zionism.

Moishe Arye Friedmann, Chief Rabbi of the Orthodox Antizionist Jewish Community in Vienna.

(“Die Presse” [“The Press”], 5 August 2006) http://www.diepresse.com/ )



The invasion of Lebanon, and the bombardment of Lebanese cities - resulting in the death of more than 600 civilians and the displacement of many thousand families more from the theater of war so far - has been justified by the Israeli government as an appropriate reaction to the capture of two Israeli soldiers on 11 July 2006 by the Hezbollah militia.

From mid-July onwards, even in the immediate presence of the UN observation post in Lebanon (UNIFIL), on the Israeli border, the bombing has continued. Although the post commander of the UN support point requested the Israeli military leadership in no less than ten radio telephone communications to desist from bombing in the proximity of the UN observation point, the building was nonetheless bombarded, and completely destroyed, on 25 July. The attack resulted in the death of four UN officers - one Chinese, one Finn, one Canadian and one Austrian.

Following this, by analogy with the Israeli way of proceeding, China, Finland, Canada and Austria should now invade Israel, bombard cities and murder innocent civilians.

But neither these four countries, nor the UNO, has the least idea - and quite rightly - of resorting to any such extreme measures. The general community of nations - including Communist China - would reject any such ideas, on moral and ethical grounds.

Unlike Israel!

God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes to see not and ears to hear not, down to this very day.

Rom 11,7 What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened; 11,8 just as it is written (*), "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes to see not and ears to hear not, down to this very day." 11,9 And David says, "Let their table become a snare and a trap. and a stumbling block and a retribution to them. 11,10 "Let their eyes be darkened to see not, and bend their backs forever." Rom 11, 7-10;

(*) Deuteronomy / 5th Book of Mose / The Book Speeches 29,3



Israel in the light of the Bible.


Based on the Old Testament

God has completely taken away his compassion from the house of Israel (Hos 1:6). They are no longer his people (Hos 1:9). Only the house of Judah will be saved by the Lord. Not by war, however, but by his Spirit (Hos 1:7). And only in the Millennium, when the Son of God has entered on his thousand years rule on earth (Hos 1:10; 2,18 Eze 34:25; Isa 2:4), will the Lord once more accept Israel as his people (Hos 2:23; Jer 31:27-28).


Based on the New Testament

It is God’s will that we should listen to his Son (Mt 17:5). This same Son of God has told us that anyone who rejects him rejects God as well (1Jn 2:23; Lk 10:16; Jn 5:22-23. 15:23). The people of Israel today deny the Son of God and abuse him as an impostor and blasphemer. As a result of this denial of the Son, Israel has also rejected the Father and so is a God-less people. (Jn 8:24)


The "Friends of Israel" in the Christian congregations are thus selling their birthright as Disciples of Christ for the lentil stew of a vicarious agent of godless impostors. – For Israel there is no spiritual conversion to their God, and no return to their homeland willed by God, unless they convert to Jesus Christ!! (Mt 23:38-39; Gal 5:4) - (See also Discourse 111)




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(The Middle East Summit in Annapolis on 27. 11. 2007 / The Israeli Daily Newspaper Ha'aretz)

At the recent Middle East Summit on 27 November 2007 in Annapolis, USA, the Israeli side should have positioned itself better. As the Israeli daily Ha'aretz writes, the US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had to exert a great deal of pressure on the Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas to get him to soften his stance. In the statement of Annapolis Palestinians and Israelis agreed on 27 November 2007 to talk, as of 12 December 2007, about a two-state solution, thus the creation of a Palestinian state. An agreement is scheduled for the end of 2008.


Middle East Summit

Outside the summit Orthodox Jews protested against Zionism and the State of Israel.





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(When Jews rule the world / Brother Nathanael Kapner 00, 2012-12-11)

I grew up as a Jew and probably one of the most unforgettable things I heard in Sabbath School was … one day…Jews…would rule the world.

Whether it was called the ‘Messianic Age’ … or a ‘Time of World Peace’ … it all boiled down to the very same thing: Gentiles would be under the all-powerful thumb of modern Jewry.

Now, what would be the SIGNS of Jewish world control? And what will herald the time of its coming?
Permit me to outline a few of those signs and I’ll let you decide whether or not the ‘apocalypse’ indeed has already arrived.

First of all, when you see the coining of money in the hands of the Jews–as we see in the case of the Jewish-owned Federal Reserve Bank that has risen to control the money of the world’s leading superpower, America–then you’ll know that Jews rule the world.

Or?…when you see Jewish-crafted legislation that usurps the US Constitution–as evidenced by the NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act), sponsored by Jewish Senator Carl Levin, which authorizes the US military to arrest American citizens without trial; and its recent Amendment, sponsored by Jewish Senator Dianne Feinstein, which gives the military the implicit right to intrude upon civil law enforcement, which is forbidden by the Constitution…and at best gives the Amendment’s victim a Military Tribunal Trial held at a Gitmo-styled (Guantánamo Bay Detention Camp) torture camp –then you’ll know that Jews rule the world.

When it’s clear as day that the major mass media is owned by Jewish moguls–as is the case with CBS, ABC, and NBC (no, they’re not owned by ‘corporate elites’ as Alex Jones and other Jewish apologists and shills would have us believe)–then you’ll know that Jewish rule is here to stay.

Or? when you see Jewish groups infiltrating our Public Schools and their curricula with degenerate Homosexual and lurid Holocaust books–I can quickly point to the Jewish-run ADL (Anti Defamation League) and how the American Federation of Teachers (yes, Jewish-run), has approved vile books like “Daddy’s New Roommate Frank” (stories about gay and lesbian families), “Daddy’s Wedding” (Daddy marries Frank), and that perennial book of lies by the fraud high priest, Elie Wiesel’s “Night”–then you’ll know that Jews have gained an unbreakable lock on young people’s minds and souls.

And when you see International Jewish Finance Capital installing Gentile shills as Heads of nations and their Central Banks–as evidenced by Jewish Investment Bank, Goldman Sachs, with its squad of ‘Goldman Goys’–then you’ll know that Jews rule the world.

Of course, none of this will mean much to you if your head is buried in beer, Prozac…and Super Bowl Sunday.

But–if you’re wide awake–then that ‘Jewish Age’ of total control we were told about as children: sadly…unquestionably…absolutely…(you won’t have to wait a hundred years from now)…has decisively arrived.


Nathanael

Brother Nathanael Kapner is a recognized monastic with the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Of Russia (ROCOR) where he is officially recognized as a "poslushnik"/"novice" monk.

Brother Nathanael speaks and writes as a former Jew--now an Orthodox Christian--and not in any official capacity with the ROCOR jurisdiction. He resides in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado.

After eight years of monastic communal life (1996-2005), Brother Nathanael has been engaged in a public mission through his Street Evangelism efforts and as an Internet publicist.

His most recent endeavor as President of The Brother Nathanael Foundation,  is to bring a Christian consciousness and influence to every sphere of American life.   

Brother Nathanael Foundation An independent, non-profit corporation, dedicated to the promotion of Christian principles in American society.
e-mail: brothernathanaelfoundation@yahoo.com



(See also: Discourse 112: “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion - the Analysis”)



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(Gaza & The Myth Of Israel’s Right To Exist / Brother Nathanael Kapner 00, 2014-07-15)

Under the rubble of Jewish bombs exploding in the ‘Open Air Prison’ known as Gaza Strip, a larger question emerges:

Does Israel have a “right to exist?”

The term “right to exist” as applied to nations is nowhere recognized in international law.

People have a right to exist, but nations come and go.

The Jews have denied the Palestinian people that right to exist whose land and resources they stole…and are now scheming to steal Gaza Strip’s new-found, offshore oil.

And no world pressure will stop Netanyahu.

[Clip: “No international pressure will prevent us from acting with full force against a terrorist organization that calls for our destruction.”]

Wait a minute.

Hamas has repeatedly called for ceasefires via the mediation of Egypt.

But Israel isn’t interested in a ceasefire. They want Gaza’s oil.

Now Bibzi says that no other country would tolerate what Israel is going through.

[Clip: “Recently, Hamas terrorists have fired hundreds of rockets at Israel’s civilians. No other country lives under nor would accept such a threat.”]

No way. What country has ever rounded up legitimate owners of its land into an Open Air Prison and then called them a “threat?”

Israel even used the so-called ‘kidnapping’ of Israeli teenagers to initiate the bombing of Gaza…and democratically-elected Hamas has the right to defend its people from aggression.

On May 14, 1948, Ben Gurion and Golda Meyerson, with 34 other Zionist usurpers, “declared” that Arabs were no longer owners of their land – it now belonged to the Jews.

And today, Zio-christian John Hagee makes God an accomplice to Jewish theft by claiming that Jews rightfully own Palestinian land.

[Clip: “God gave the land of Israel to Abraham in an eternal blood covenant four thousand years ago. The land of Israel belonged to the Jewish people then, it belongs to the Jewish people today, and it will belong to the Jewish people forever.”]

No, you stupid ass.

God promised the land to Abraham and quote: “to his seed”…that is, those “born” miraculously as Isaac was.

For “in Isaac,” God said, would Abraham’s seed be called. Orthodox Christians are born miraculously through baptism (Rom 9:6-8).

Esau was Abraham’s physical seed, yet due to his bad character he was disqualified from inheriting the land. Just like Jews today. Their bad character disqualifies them.

It’s the “meek who shall inherit the earth,” (Mt 5:5) says Jesus Christ. Not those who crucified Him.

I don’t see much “meekness” in Israel’s leaders, do you?

Palestinians are the legal owners of the land of Israel (Palestine). And their right of return is sanctioned by international law.

It’s time to return to the rule of law and NOT frame-ups tailor-made for the Jews.


Nathanael

Brother Nathanael Kapner is a recognized monastic with the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Of Russia (ROCOR) where he is officially recognized as a "poslushnik"/"novice" monk.

Brother Nathanael speaks and writes as a former Jew--now an Orthodox Christian--and not in any official capacity with the ROCOR jurisdiction. He resides in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado.

After eight years of monastic communal life (1996-2005), Brother Nathanael has been engaged in a public mission through his Street Evangelism efforts and as an Internet publicist.

His most recent endeavor as President of The Brother Nathanael Foundation,  is to bring a Christian consciousness and influence to every sphere of American life.   

Brother Nathanael Foundation An independent, non-profit corporation, dedicated to the promotion of Christian principles in American society.
e-mail: brothernathanaelfoundation@yahoo.com





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(Press Conference The Holocaust: A Memorial of Another Kind The authentic Jewish voice has its say! / 2010-01-27)

Religious Jews, survivors and victims of the Holocaust, will for the first time since the founding of the Federal Republic of Germany, make a public appearance in Germany and express their view of history. They contend that the leadership of the Zionist state has no right to exploit the Jewish victims of World War II for their political goals, to evade criticism, or as an "alibi" for the oppression of the Palestinian people. This is especially true since the Palestinian people share no responsibility for the crimes of the Hitler regime. These religious Jews come to deliver a new message: a plea for justice, together with the religious conviction that God is ultimately behind the steering wheel of history. At the same time, they appeal for a new beginning in relations between Jews and non-Jewish Germans, on the basis of mutual respect. What lessons do religious Jews learn from the Holocaust? And where does Torah-loyal Judaism stand today on the issue of the slow genocide being committed against the Palestinian people?

The above questions and more will be discussed by the following speakers:
Rabbi Moshe Ber Beck (USA) Holocaust survivor
Rabbi Yisrael David Weiss (USA) Grandparents murdered in Auschwitz
Rabbi Ahron Cohen (UK) Holocaust survivor
Rabbi Jouseph Antebi (Jerusalem, NL, Berlin) Victim of Zionist persecution
Reuven Cabelman (Berlin, Antwerp) Berlin spokesman for the Neturei Karta International
organizer of the Press Conference Moderator: Christoph Hörstel (Neue Mitte)

Neturei Karta

Video of the Press Conference:  http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Press/20100127.cfm


(See also Discourse 101: “The "Israel movement" in the Christian congregations”)


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(Neturei Karta Condemns Israeli Attack on Humanitarian Flotilla / 2010-06-11)

Citizens worldwide protest the attack on the Humanitarian Flotilla

Demonstrations and protests are taking place in international cities such as London, New York, Washington DC, Montreal and Jerusalem

For updated information, we will be updating this page on our website:

Press Release issued 31 May 2010

"Authentic Orthodox Jewry worldwide decries unequivocally the cold-blooded slaughter carried out by the Zionist occupational forces against innocent, peaceful and freedom-loving noble activists committed to peace and human rights," said Rabbi David Feldman of Neturei Karta International. "This brutal attack took place in international waters on ships bearing humanitarian aid for our brethren, the Palestinian residents in the besieged Gaza Strip. It was an explicitly illegal act which breaches, in a serious manner, basic G-dly human rights, justice and law.

"This kind of behavior is, unfortunately, only to be expected from the Zionists," he continued. "Their state's entire existence was built from the very start on Heresy, robbery and murder. They oppressed, murdered and expelled an entire people from its land.

Freedom March 1
Rabbis of Neturei Karta participate in the Gaza Freedom
March in Gaza City, on December 27, 2009


"All of this pains us especially because it was done in the name of the entire Jewish people and in the name of the Jewish religion. The truth is that the Torah totally opposes everything they do. The Torah teaches us mercy, the Torah forbids murder, and the Torah forbids stealing. According to the Torah, the entire land from the Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea must be returned to the Palestinian people." "Jews are in exile by Divine decree, and any attempts at ending this Almighty's decree is a rebellion against G-d. The Torah teaches that a rebellion against G-d cannot be successful.

"We find it imperative to clearly declare that the State of "Israel" does not represent the Jewish people, and certainly not the Jewish religion. They have no right to speak in our name, nor in the name of the holy Torah. They profane the Holy Land with their abominations, slaughters and countless other actions that emanate from this illegitimate State. Furthermore, the actual existence of this State is illegitimate as the holy Torah strictly and explicitly forbids any Jewish rule over the Holy Land. When the Zionist movement arose a century ago, our rabbis all warned us not to have any connection with them.

Freedom March 2
Members of Neturei Karta join Viva Palestina aid convoy
to Gaza in July 2009, they donated a truck of medical aid


"The Zionists with their perversion of Judaism have blackened the name of Jews and the Torah throughout the world. They are the worst enemies of G-d, of the Torah and of the true Jewish people who have always remained faithful to G-d in all circumstances. Subsequently, they are the greatest cause of exacerbating anti Semitism around the world.

"Jews throughout the centuries have always been on excellent terms with their Arab neighbors. The past centuries, during which Sephardic Jewry lived in thriving communities all over the Arab world, were a golden age between our peoples. Who brought this golden age to an end? Only political Zionism. Actually, even today there are some Arab and Muslim countries that still have Jewish communities living peacefully in their midst. And even the Palestinians (from both major parties) have declared that they have no problem with Jews living amongst them; they are only opposed to political Zionism.

"We express our profound condolences to the families of the murdered innocents, as well as our heartfelt wishes for speedy recoveries to all those wounded by the Zionist occupational forces. May Heaven send you complete and swift healing.

"We hope and we pray for a peaceful and speedy end to the Zionist state. Then Jews will be able to live peacefully in Palestine under a Palestinian government, just as they live under other Arab countries to this day.

"May we merit the fulfillment of the prophets' promise of the revelation of G-d's kingship over the entire world, at which time all peoples will serve Him in unity."

Neturei Karta International

Neturei Karta International
P. O. Box 1316, Monsey, NY 10952
www.nkusa.org




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"Israel makes a ploy of the holocaust and antisemitism. / Prof. Moshe Zuckermann - KURIER daily newspaper, 2010-10-21

He was born in 1949 in Tel Aviv, as the son of Polish holocaust victim, and he has criticized Israel sharply on repeated occasions. The key thesis of Moshe Zuckermann, a professor of history and philosophy who has just brought out a new and complex book (Antisemit ‒ published by Promediaverlag, 208 pp, EUR 15.90) is that many Jews and Israeli politicians “make a ploy of the holocaust and antisemitism in order to gag their critics.”

KURIER: Isn’t your thesis actually a bit extreme?

Moshe Zuckermann: Not at all. Look here, antisemitism does exist of course, and it should be opposed, wherever it shows its ugly visage. But what I mean is the accusation of antisemitism, which is used by the powerful to make political capital and with which they try to annihilate their critics. Anyone who criticizes Israel is not automatically anti-Semitic. This would be a complete loss of distinctions. It must be possible to call a spade a spade when it comes to Israel’s barbaric policy of injustice against the Palestinians.

You think this doesn’t happen enough outside the Arab world? 

Yes, above all in Germany, where it is taboo to criticize Israel, right up to the highest echelons of politics. The German left above all has developed a blind solidarity with Jewishness. But people like Michel Friedman or Henry M. Broder (both Zionistic Jews who take up the cudgels to defend Israel against its critics, FH) have absolutely no idea of Israeli realities. I am speaking in this connection of a kind of philo-Semitism, which is based on the same resentment and so is nothing other than antisemitism inverted. 

Do you not get applause for your thesis from quarters to which you would rather not be indebted?

Of course that has been the case for years, but the alternative would be to keep silent on what I think is right and important. But I won’t let myself be hijacked or gagged.  

How do you see the role of Israel in the Middle East conflict with the Palestinians? 

Even after 40 years of an occupying regime, Israel is still trying to make out that it is a victim. Finally it comes down to a quite simple question ‒ does Israel want to exist, and can it not understand that it is heading into a self made abyss. Accordingly there are just two possibilities. Israel gives back the occupied territories, with the risk of a civil war ensuing. Or it does not, and then there is the risk of a regional war which ‒ being conducted with new weapons ‒ would reduce half the Middle East to rubble and ashes. That would be the end of the state of Israel and of Zionism.

Moshe Zuckermann


(This interview conducted by Walter Friedl appeared in the Austrian daily KURIER, 21 October 2010.)






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WikiLeaks exposed the true Mideast conflict / Ari Shavit, Haaretz daily newspaper, 2010-12-03

Julian Assange is a dangerous criminal. This strange man with his long blond hair and misanthropic expression is not merely a cyberterrorist of a new kind. He is not merely a delusory anarchist humiliating the greatest power on earth. He is not merely an uninhibited megalomaniac disrupting modern diplomacy and undermining the world order. Assange is a dangerous criminal because he has shattered the accepted dogma on the understanding in the Middle East in the 21st century. 

This dogma stated the following: The main problem in the Middle East is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The main problem in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the occupation. The main problem in the occupation is the settlements. Therefore if we just stop the settlements, the occupation will begin to end, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will be solved and the Middle East will be stable.

In the last decade, this dogma became fixed and was sanctified. It became a kind of core belief that cannot be questioned. This was the truth they swore to in the White House, the Elysee Palace and 10 Downing Street. This was the truth they reported in The Washington Post, Le Monde and The Guardian. This was the truth that incorporated the supreme moral gravity that formed the worldview of enlightened elites in the West and directed the policies of the Western powers.

Then along came Assange and shattered the dogma. The secret documents that WikiLeaks published proved that the settlements, the occupation and even the Israeli-Palestinian conflict were not the main problem in the Middle East. The confidential e-mails proved that the world they were talking about in Washington, Paris and London was an imaginary world. Assange proved that there was no connection between the real Middle East and the Middle East they talk about in The Washington Post, Le Monde and The Guardian. He revealed that the entire Arab world is currently busy with one problem only - Iran, Iran, Iran.

There is no doubt about it - Assange is a dangerous criminal. But he is dangerous not because he penetrated the Pentagon's information systems but because he revealed the Western intelligentsia's lack of intellectual integrity. Assange is dangerous not because he leaked state secrets on an unprecedented scale but because he revealed to us all that the West's hegemonic discourse is superficial and mendacious. Assange is dangerous not because he embarrassed the West's allies but because he proved that the West is contaminated by political correctness that cuts it off from the diplomatic reality. Assange placed a giant mirror in front of us all and proved the extent to which we had been duped in recent decades. A false dogma has prevented us from looking logically at the historic challenge facing us.

But let's not confuse things. The settlements are indeed a disaster. The occupation is intolerable. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is dangerous. But now that the blond misanthrope has opened our eyes, we must no longer shut them. The confidential e-mails must be read and reread so they can be understood. There is no chance for the current diplomatic process, they say. There is no chance of signing an Israeli-Palestinian agreement as long as Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) is living under the menacing shadow of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. There is no chance of regional peace as long as the Arab world is living under Tehran's incessant threat.

After all, just as the Egyptian president, the Saudi king and the Gulf emirs whisper, Iran is the heart of the problem. Iran is the source of the poison and the source of the consternation. As long as Iran is growing stronger, is seeking nuclear weapons and is terrorizing the Middle East, there is no chance for peace.

The lesson is a bitter one. If Iran develops nuclear weapons, peace will disappear. A nuclear Iran will deal a final blow to the chance of achieving a compromise between Israelis and Arabs. Therefore the dove of peace has to be extremely hawkish toward Iran. The peace-seeker must deal with Iran.

The opposite is also true. Anyone who wants to appease Ahmadinejad is betraying peace. Anyone who takes a lenient view of the ayatollahs is abandoning Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and Abu Mazen. It's true that a moratorium on the settlements will help in the struggle against the centrifuges. But only such a moratorium will make it possible to dismantle the settlements. When we rise from the ruins of the dogma, the strategic order of things is utterly clear - Iran first.

Haaretz, 03.12.10

Ari Shavit

Ari Shavit is a senior correspondent at Haaretz Newspaper and a member of its editorial board.




It would be something of a miracle if Haaretz failed to defend the standpoint of the United States. By publishing secret Pentagon documents Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, has cast light on the background to American policies ‒ as well as those of other nations. And immediately he is branded as a “criminal”, a “misanthrope”, as an IT terrorist, a delusory anarchist, a megalomaniac and so on.

Even before reading the rest of Ari Shavit’s article, we can tell from the very first lines that the real misanthrope is located not in London but at the Haaretz offices in Jerusalem. Evidently the curbs on freedom of speech and opinion in Israel are not just restricted to the Jewish Agency’s ban which prevents immigrants from preaching the gospel or talking about Jesus Christ in Israel. Now it even seems to be viewed as a capital offense in Israel if anything is done to demythologize the edifice of lies that is American politics.

But these first few sentences likewise permit us to recognize the actual aim of this parade of indignation. In fact the writer is not at all concerned with the problems these revelations cause to the USA, but rather ‒ what else can be expected of an Israeli writer? ‒ with the problems of Israel and with the way in which this whole business can be exploited to Israel’s benefit. And so while Julian Assange is described as a “dangerous criminal”, it is not because of his having brought state secrets to light but because he has supposedly revealed the true background to the conflict in the Middle East. .

With great elegance and skill, and quite in the style of Mark Antony’s address to the people of Rome, Mr. Shavit then uses the momentum of events to redirect the increasing pressure of the international community of nations on Israel because of the settlements in Jerusalem to a different object ‒ the Arabs, and in the last resort Iran. According to this argument the settlements are admittedly a “disaster”, the occupation of Palestinian territory is “intolerable” and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is “dangerous”. But the key to the problem is not the Jews, who are actually responsible for all this, but the Arabs, and Iran in particular. .

Of course as Shavit sees things, it is not Israel who has made peace impossible with all these problems and by refusing to change anything to date. Instead, he tells us, “Iran is the source of the poison and the source of the consternation. As long as Iran is growing stronger, is seeking nuclear weapons and is terrorizing the Middle East, there is no chance for peace.” If Israel itself, in contravention of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and with the tacit approval of the UN, already has 200 atomic warheads ready for action ‒ as a result of which Iran may well feel compelled to resort to atomic weaponry in self-defense ‒ this is a matter which Mr. Shavit, with some nerve as we may think, does not see fit to mention. .

Finally Mr. Shavit sets up a causal connection which must appear altogether familiar to anyone who has been following developments in the Middle East. He balances Tehran’s construction of centrifuges for the production of weapons grade uranium against the building of settlements in Jerusalem, and observes: “It's true that a moratorium on the settlements will help in the struggle against the centrifuges. But only such a moratorium [on the centrifuges] will make it possible to dismantle the settlements.”

The logic of this cannot fail to remind us of a statement by Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas, who in answer to the question why he did not consent to Israel’s building of the settlements, said in effect “Israel occupies our country and builds settlements in this country. If we were to consent to the building of settlements, there would be peace. But then at the same time we would lose our country. Therefore, only Israel’s returning our country to us would give us a basis for giving our consent to the settlements.”

And quite in keeping with Mr. Shavit’s conclusion, at the end of his article ‒ “When we rise from the ruins of the dogma, the strategic order of things is utterly clear ‒ Iran first” ‒ so the same applies by analogy to the Palestinians: if we take into account the consequences for both sides, here too the strategic order of things is utterly clear - Israel first.



Opening address by Chief Rabbi M. A. Friedmann / International Conference of Rabbis 2004 Vienna


Ladies and Gentlemen,
esteemed guests of honor, dear friends!

I am privileged to welcome you warmly to this event, and am delighted to see so many prominent personalities, high ranking politicians and university professors, lawyers, doctors, ambassadors, chief rabbis and rabbis assembled here today.

My warmest thanks to you all for coming.

I am not used to giving speeches in German, so I must ask for your understanding. I also mean to keep my address as short and to the point as possible, after which it will be the turn of my highly esteemed colleagues and our guests of honor to take the floor.

The situation in which believing Judaism true to the Torah finds itself today is extremely difficult – indeed practically unbearable. Global political developments, especially in the Near East, give us grounds for anticipating serious threats to our future and that of our children. This is associated with the many lies about the true character of Judaism which have been propagated worldwide and believed by many. Above all in Germany and Austria many matters are regarded as taboo, so that anyone audacious enough to speak of them is exposing himself to considerable dangers. Notwithstanding, at this international conference we would like to put these matters in plain view and draw the necessary conclusions, because that is the only way the situation is going to change – which would be in the interest of us all..

At this very time, on the occasion of the Theodor Herzl centenary, we have to address certain fundamental points which concern the essential basis of the Jewish religion. The national celebrations here in Austria and in other countries do tend to give the impression that Zionism can be equated with Judaism, or at least can be seen as a legitimate political movement of Judaism. In fact the opposite is the case!

Before we go into this matter further, however, we must first make it clear that our critique is not a political critique – on the contrary, we are speaking purely and solely from the point of view of our religion, of our faith. We are advancing not political but religious reasons for our point of view – seeing that, based on moral and religious principles, we basically distance ourselves from politics.

The most important point which all Jews true to their faith share – and that includes all the rabbis and chief rabbis assembled here today – is that we have to bear the fate of the Diaspora which has been laid on us by God. This important conviction of faith often meets with incomprehension among non-Jews, so I will emphasize it again at this point: since we Jews accept in faith the fate of the Diaspora laid on us by God, we endeavor to live without problems or conflicts as loyal citizens of whatever state we find ourselves in. Whenever there have been difficulties and conflicts over the many past centuries, our chief rabbis have tried to come to a solution with the authorities on the basis of submission, argument and heartfelt appeals for clemency. And this kind of peaceful solution was in the great majority of cases actually brought about – without any kind of provocation or political power games.

The problems began to grow and to become more serious after the so-called “emancipation“, when the liberal ideas of the Enlightenment made an impact on Judaism, and certain Jewish groups hoped they might be able to achieve political benefits. For millennia our community of faith in Germany has lived in peaceful coexistence with the German people, and has enjoyed the latter’s hospitality, with a large measure of freedom of religion. Even when the Zionist reformed congregation started to persecute Jews who remained loyal to their faith, the German people stood by our side. Consequently the German authorities authorized my predecessor, Chief Rabbi Samsan Raffael Hirsch, to set up his own Orthodox Jewish community of worship and allowed it all the necessary privileges.

At this time Theodor Herzl traveled frequently to Germany, in order to turn opinion against us in every way possible, even visiting the Kaiser, with the aim of stirring up hatred against Judaism true to the Torah. On occasion he came up against resistance. Nonetheless, Theodor Herzl deliberately encouraged antisemitism through his activities, because he hoped this would encourage European Jews to aspire to the establishment of a Jewish state. But in the last resort, in this way he brought about the catastrophe of Judaism. Because the Zionists wanted to bring the state of Israel into existence and encourage Jewish emigration to Palestine, they did not even shrink from inciting and provoking pogroms in Russia – however awful that sounds, ladies and gentlemen, there is the evidence to prove it! In the same way the Zionists tried to provoke Hitler and the German people by calling for boycotts and other political campaigns; they welcomed the Nuremberg Laws, and did everything they could to whip up antisemitism still further. So the Zionists must bear the essential blame for the Holocaust.

We Orthodox Jews true to our faith did not have anything whatever to do with these matters. We did not get involved with these provocations against Hitler and the Third Reich. We did not take part in calls for boycotts or international propaganda. Nonetheless it was we who became the real victims of the Holocaust. Based on our faith and conviction, the Holocaust was God’s punishment of the Jewish people, who had turned away from their faith to follow Zionism – even though the main victims of this same Holocaust were the Orthodox Jews. Unbelievable as it sounds, it is nonetheless incontestably true – our chief rabbis even declared in Auschwitz that although we had rejected Zionism and fought against it, we had done too little and with too few resources, for which reason it was not without justification that God’s punishment fell upon us as well. I know that such sentences can hardly any longer be understood in Europe today. I know that such sentences will give rise to incomprehension and head-shaking among many Europeans, because most Europeans do not in fact take their own Christian faith seriously any longer. All the same, this is our conviction in faith!

But the Zionists actually managed, after the war, to put themselves across as the sole legitimate representatives of Judaism. Above all the occupation of Germany and Austria made this possible. The results have been terrible! In the name of Judaism – and we Jews true to our faith have really had nothing to do with it – for decades now, massive pressure has been applied to the entire political and economic development of Germany. Germany continues to be an occupied country, the United Nations enemy state clause continues to apply to Germany, which means that Germany is not a member of the UNO with equal rights! It is an example of the inconceivable degradation of Germany that Mr. Michel Friedman – my namesake, I am sorry to say – who is a morally dubious user of cocaine and frequenter of prostitutes, has the opportunity of making moral reproaches to the German people and setting them moral conditions – and all this in the name of Judaism!

In Austria the situation is only slightly better. Here too Theodor Herzl is presented as a great personality, although in truth he did monstrous damage to Judaism, because he tried, against the will of God, to turn a purely spiritual religion into a political power system – a power system which, like all political power systems, has opponents and enemies and fights against them. The Palestinians, the population of Palestine, must logically become the enemy of a Zionist power system of this kind. The consequences of this – the war, the intifada, the anti-Jewish terrorist attacks and the equally terrorist attacks of the Israeli army on Palestinian leaders, with equal numbers of civilian deaths – are matters with which we are all familiar.

As Jews true to our religion, we can never accept the doctrine of Dr. Theodor Herzl. As Jews true to our religion, we are completely opposed to Zionism and reject it. As Jews true to our religion, we see Zionism as a betrayal of God and of the Jewish religion.

We Jews faithful to the Torah wish to continue living in peace with other peoples in future, among the Germans as among the Arabs – we do not want to blackmail any people or put any people under political pressure, but just to have the possibility, wherever we are living, of worshiping God in peace. Consequently we are starkly opposed to Zionist power politics. Thus we are also starkly opposed to all attempts on the part of international so-called Jewish organizations to put Germany and Austria under any political or financial pressures. For the same reason, we deliberately avoid getting involved in the internal affairs of the countries in which we are living.

When Dr. Martin Hohmann, a CDU member of the German parliament, saw people who had fallen away from their faith – whether Bolsheviks or Nazis – as the real criminals of the 20th century, we could only support his analysis. When boycotts were launched against Austria in view of the blue-black government of some federal states, we declared in public that we did not regard such interference with the internal affairs of a country as legitimate, and that in our view the Austrian people had every right to choose the government they wanted. On this occasion we even put a big advertisement in the New York Times, at our own expense, in which Jewish chief rabbis true to their faith from all over the world lent their support to this point of view.

I hope, in speaking to this esteemed audience, that I have been successful in making it clear to you that the Zionism of someone like Theodor Herzl has nothing to do with the convictions of Jews who are genuinely true to their religion. It is high time that the official representatives of the Republic of Austria should also recognize that Judaism true to the Torah is represented by us, and that they have someone else to talk to apart from the so-called Israelite cult community.

Ladies and gentlemen, honored guests, in this introduction I have already touched on the main thorny issues which we hope to address at this international conference of rabbis. I would like to extend a particular welcome to the following speakers:

1) first of all Dr. Martin Hohmann, member of parliament of the Federal Republic of Germany
2) the constitutional lawyer Professor Hans Klesatzky from Innsbruck
3) former federal minister Professor Erwin Lanc
4) Public Ombudsman Ewald Stadler
5) Professor Matschner
6) Federal Councilor Dr. John Gudenus
7) the lawyer Dr. Johannes Hübner


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Palestine: Land Without People for People Without Land?     Part 2, Discourse 462